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Barnyard BOb wrote ...
Don't blame DoD. Credit George Bush and Company. While they praise our military publicly..... they also continue to gut BILLIONS from VA hospitals/medical programs across the land. ... More crap from the horse's ass. But then it's generally pretty full of it. The true facts are that the VA budget has gone up by $15 billion since Bush took office, a 30% increase. On top of that, Bush's budget for FY2004 includes the largest discretionary increase for the VA _ever_ requested by _any_ president. He's asked Congress for $64 billion for the VA effective this October. That's _another_ 33% over the last budget ($48 billion). The VA budget has _never_ increased as fast in its entire history. What's more, the VA is starting to make a lot more efficient use of that money, using it for vets instead of its own bloat - the new CARE proposal will modernize a lot of antiquated facilities, consolidate duplicates and build some new ones in areas where vet populations have increased. Five years ago, 3 million vets were eligible for assistance. Today the number is 25 million, simply because benefits have been extended to vets with mid-level incomes and no service injuries. The VA has greatly increased access to care as well, by following in the footsteps of the rest of the health care industry. It's a lot less hospital based now and offers more community clinics, private contracts, outpatient services, home care, preventive care and wellness counseling than ever before. 1.30 x 1.33 = 1.73, a 73% increase and you claim they "gut BILLIONS". As usual, you don't have a clue what you're talking about, you just like to bitch & run your mouth. Well this time you're telling a good bunch of guys that they're getting screwed, and that's not only a lie, it's a mean-hearted lie that serves no purpose other than to **** on vets. Well I happen to like vets, so **** off jerk. Daniel |
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Butch
Go to: http://yarchive/mil/rebaul_raids.html B-25 outfits who made many strikes on Rabaul are listed with some text of attacks. Their history (unit combat losses) might show what you want? Big John On 1 Sep 2003 15:51:20 -0700, (butch burton) wrote: Did get pics but the only thing left of the US aircraft was the engines-large P&W radials. Salt is very corrosive and most all of the aircraft was gone. The engines were impacted into the port side of the destroyer. It was a very small destroyer-more like a large armed escort vessel and the skipper of the vessel ran it into very shallow water in an attempt to save it. Will dig out the pics and contact the AF HRA at Maxwell. Really like to know the name of the pilot-a battle probably long forgotten-kind of gives you an idea of the stuff these people were made of. Will let you know what I find. Big John wrote in message . .. Butch 1. Did you get any pictures? They might be trading material with the Air Force or DOD or could go in Museum at Wright Patterson? 2. Contact: Air Force Historical Research Agency (Located on Maxwell AFB, AL) Phone (334) 953-2395 or If they can't help you they should be able to point you to further sources. Were there any traces of airframe left to identify the aircraft type? The A-20 (twin engine) was also used in Pacific. Don't think the A-26 made it???? Not just sure how you can get the Jap info of when the ship was sunk but that would give a mission date and narraow the search in our records. Jap records also migaht account for the aircraft type that impacted the destroyer? When you talk to Maxwell, ask them about Jap records. They may have gotten them after the War or may still be in Japan and they would know where they are and how to get access? Rabaul ended up as a 'milk run' after we bypassed it. It was used to give new aircrews training after they arrived in theater as I recall. Good luck. If you strike gold let us all know. Big John P-40, P51, etc, etc. On 30 Aug 2003 18:44:09 -0700, (butch burton) wrote: -----clip---- While diving in the Rabaul Harbor, discovered a Jap destroyer sunk with 2 large US made radial aircraft engines. Looks like some US pilot flew a Mitchell bomber into this destroyer. Always been on my to do list to try and find out something about the pilot/crew of this aircraft. Anybody got any suggestions. A few years ago the volcano at the edge of the harbor erupted completely filling the whole area with ash so the wreckage is probably beneath yards of volcanic ash. ----dlip---- |
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"Big John" wrote in message ... Butch Go to: http://yarchive/mil/rebaul_raids.html B-25 outfits who made many strikes on Rabaul are listed with some text of attacks. Their history (unit combat losses) might show what you want? Big John On 1 Sep 2003 15:51:20 -0700, (butch burton) wrote: Didn't PBY's also work in that area? Black cats liked to fly down on the deck. -- Jim in NC |
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Morgans
Don't ever remember any PBY's making attacks on airfields and anchorages? They were to slow and didn't have enough hard points to carry a lot of bomb type devices. Easy picking for fighters. Most of their 'low' altitude flying was taking off and landing when rescuing downed fliers. Believe in the Atlantic, they on occasion attacked u-boats when they were on anti sub patrol. Those birds were modified to carry some type of bombs (depth charges). They might also have had a gun mount in each side blister but that position was not a good location of guns to attack anything. On Internet, the only twin engine birds I saw that attacked Rabaul were B-25's. A long long shot was it could have been a Betty that the Japanese were trying to recover or move to a location to get repaired. If tied down on the deck might have been destroyed when ship was sunk???? There are still records of WWII but it takes a long time to go through them to find any specific items. Big John On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 17:18:18 -0400, "Morgans" wrote: "Big John" wrote in message .. . Butch Go to: http://yarchive/mil/rebaul_raids.html B-25 outfits who made many strikes on Rabaul are listed with some text of attacks. Their history (unit combat losses) might show what you want? Big John On 1 Sep 2003 15:51:20 -0700, (butch burton) wrote: Didn't PBY's also work in that area? Black cats liked to fly down on the deck. |
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