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McCain in '08
"Jessica Rhodes" wrote in message ... Unless they risked their ass as McCain did and served as a POW themselves, his political opponents' opinion isn't worth cold **** in an old boot. I admire Sen McCain's service in the military and the sacrifices he endured several decades ago, I don't for a second admire that he was a POW. It wasn't his choice. He didn't want to be one. Having been raised by a POW and seen the long-term effects of what subhumans did to him, there's nothing about his experience to admire. One can only respect them and remember to give thanks. I would have been more clear had I said "his political opponents' opinion OF HIS MILITARY SERVICE isn't worth..." which is what I meant. Criticising his political policies or career is of course fair, but when you start picking on a POW for being a POW, you are patently unworthy to be a leader of Americans. To say that someone can not disagree with a political position, opinion, or a politician without insulting one's former service as a soldier, sailor, or airman is fundamentally ridiculous. I absolutely agree that once a person becomes a politician they're fair game for public opinion, BUT, in no way does that give another politician an excuse to discredit or call into question his military record, whether it's McCain, Murtha, Bush Sr. or anybody else the United States of America saw fit to decorate. Here's the bottom line. McCain was a POW. He gave many years of his life in service of his country. To attempt to diminish or devalue that for political leverage is absolutely beneath contempt. That's the way it is. Semper Fi. -c |
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"Bob Noel" wrote in message news:ihatessppaamm- I'm pretty sure that gatt was reacting to the opponent's trashing of McCain's POW experience rather than any opponent disagreeing with any political position. Exactly. I was less than clear in my previous post, but that's what I meant. (I disagree strongly with much of what Murtha says, but in other forums there are folks calling him a coward, a traitor and a liar, which is to suggest that the Navy and the Marine Corps honor cowardice or that they lied when they saw fit to decorate him for heroism. Such an accusation challenges not only the integrity of the Murtha, but of the Marine Corps, and if a politican does that, he's not going to get my vote, he's going to get my absolute contempt. Semper Fi, et al.) -c |
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"Skylune" wrote in message lkaboutaviation.com... I admire McCain for his service to the country. I dislike Boyer for his dis-service to the country. At least you didn't go on a whacko left wing character assination track, like certain of the lefties out west... Character assassination is not a sole tactic of the left wing. The combat service records of Murtha, Kerry and McCain were all attacked by the right. I value the integrity of my own political standards which is why I was also royally ****ed when -some- of the left was accusing GHWB of cowardice for bailing out of his aircraft. It's a cheap shot; accusing somebody of cowardice in combat during a life or death struggle in which the accuser was never close to any similar situation. Unfortunately, it's a tactic employed by contemptable and embarrassing elements of both the left -and- right. -c |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote: "Orval Fairbairn" wrote in message news The subject is "McCain in '08", so discussion of his involvement in the :Keating 5" IS relevant to the subject line. Unfortunately, the subject line is relevant to rec.aviation.piloting only by the a thin thread -- namely McCain's relationship with GA. In that context, his impact on GA IS relevant, as are character issues. But the rest of the Keating Five would not be relevant. It appears you've not followed the thread. Actually, I have followed it. Naming the "Keating Five" does not stray from the topic. Any further discussion of them IS irrelevant. The thread really ought to be on rec.aviation.misc, rather than in piloting. |
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"Orval Fairbairn" wrote in message news Actually, I have followed it. Naming the "Keating Five" does not stray from the topic. Yes it does. |
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outaviation.com, "Skylune" wrote: I admire McCain for his service to the country. I dislike Boyer for his dis-service to the country. At least you didn't go on a whacko left wing character assination track, like certain of the lefties out west... You just dislike Boyer for breaking with your preconceived notions about GA. Boyer may have his faults, but lying is not one of them. |
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by "gatt" Jul 12, 2006 at 05:38 PM
Character assassination is not a sole tactic of the left wing. The combat service records of Murtha, Kerry and McCain were all attacked by the right. I value the integrity of my own political standards which is why I was also royally ****ed when -some- of the left was accusing GHWB of cowardice for bailing out of his aircraft. It's a cheap shot; accusing somebody of cowardice in combat during a life or death struggle in which the accuser was never close to any similar situation. Unfortunately, it's a tactic employed by contemptable and embarrassing elements of both the left -and- right I agree. This is where our politics is. It started with the Robert Bork SCOTUS hearings, and was perfected by the Clintonistas. Now, many members of both parties attack each other, rather than debate ideas. Its sad, actually.... |
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("gatt" wrote)
I don't for a second admire that he was a POW. It wasn't his choice. He didn't want to be one. Having been raised by a POW and seen the long-term effects of what subhumans did to him, there's nothing about his experience to admire. One can only respect them and remember to give thanks. If you would, come back at this again, maybe even from head on, but do, please, take another swing at this. It's an interesting thought, and perspective. Just a reader trying to sort out: the experience, choice, the man, give thanks, respect, and admire. Montblack |
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by Orval Fairbairn Jul 12, 2006 at 05:43 PM
You just dislike Boyer for breaking with your preconceived notions about GA. Boyer may have his faults, but lying is not one of them. No. He confirmed my notions, which were conceived by my own personal experiences prior to having even heard of Boyer or the AOPA. On lying: I agree with Senator McCain, but I won't quibble about whether intentional distortion or making statements based on partial or biased info (which Boyer does regularly) constitutes a lie. I happen to think McCain was being diplomatic, but it is clear that he (correctly) sees Boyer as a man with zero integrity. |
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"gatt" wrote in message ... Character assassination is not a sole tactic of the left wing. The combat service records of Murtha, Kerry and McCain were all attacked by the right. They were? Have any examples? |
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