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  #41  
Old February 7th 08, 09:02 AM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval,sci.military.naval,us.military.army
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Ponce wrote:

Tiger wrote:
Jack Linthicum wrote:
On Feb 5, 9:25 am, " wrote:



reads just like the discounted first few. I would like to see a nice
unclassified test and evaluation report, even a document number, that
tells me this has elements of the truth in it and is not some
Henderson Hall flack making up war stories.



You know being a playa hater is not cool? The Anti Osprey crowd seems to
wish for any snipet of bad news. How about giving the Thunder Chickens
some credit? They have taken it to war and are getting the job done. Any
lack of firing on them again is a sign of good things. Like perhaps the
surge is really calming things over there. Exploding retarded ladies
excepted of course....


If you are flying toilet paper and VIPs from protected base to protected
base you can make all kinds of claims about "taking it to war" and
"getting the job done".

But the claims are crap since toilet paper and VIP transport were not
the rationale for this extremely expensive truck

Vince


do you need another block of instruction on logistics?

redc1c4,
you trotting out the same old lie doesn't make it any mre so. HTH! %-)
--
"Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
considerable watching."

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  #42  
Old February 7th 08, 12:36 PM posted to rec.aviation.military, rec.aviation.military.naval,sci.military.naval, us.military.army
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On Feb 6, 7:52 pm, "Dean A. Markley" wrote:
Jack Linthicum wrote:
On Feb 6, 3:50 pm, Kerryn Offord wrote:
Tiger wrote:
Vince wrote:
SNIP
If you are flying toilet paper and VIPs from protected base to
protected base you can make all kinds of claims about "taking it to
war" and "getting the job done".
But the claims are crap since toilet paper and VIP transport were not
the rationale for this extremely expensive truck
Vince
Well what would you call a Ch-46 or Ch-47? Neither are expected to be
"AIRWOLF" or "Blue Thunder." Yes, it's truck. A pricey truck. But a
better truck in the long run.
It's not a better "truck" for the job of delivering toilet paper (VIPs
might enjoy the faster ride etc) which is all it seems to be doing
currently.


It's payload per trip is less than that of other similar sized/ powered
helicopters.. And really, to deliver stores, speed isn't overly important.


And for range.. If the only way to get supplies to a base is via the
V-22.. They're in trouble...


As for CH-47s and CH-46s.. Sure they aren't expected to be "AIRWOLF" or
"BLUE THUNDER".. But there have been real reported cases of them being
involved in hot landings and evacuations... We await what happens "when"
the V-22 is used in similar circumstances...


You know one of those last remaining al Qaeda in Anbar types is
stoking up the game to get just one V-22.


Wow Jack, did you not get laid recently or what? People here have
presented some pretty good evidence that the V-22 is working and that it
has been tested thoroughly. But you just keep sniping away! Your last
statement there is uncalled for. It really sounds like you are rooting
for terrorists to kill American soldiers.

Dean


I presume then that if Richard Clarke had gotten Condi Rice and John
Ashcroft to pay attention to the threat that became 911 you would have
decided he was just "rooting for terrorists to kill American(s)". It's
called "early warning" as in "wake up, stupid, we are flying large
targets into an area filled with people who don't like us:".
  #43  
Old February 7th 08, 12:39 PM posted to rec.aviation.military, rec.aviation.military.naval,sci.military.naval, us.military.army
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On Feb 7, 12:03 am, BlackBeard wrote:
On Feb 6, 1:19 pm, Jack Linthicum wrote:



You know one of those last remaining al Qaeda in Anbar types is
stoking up the game to get just one V-22.


That is probably true. They will target everything from Humvees,
C-130's, and the Osprey. What is the point in that statement? They
will target anything to hurt us.
The sad thing is that some of the most outspoken critics of the
Osprey, some of our own citizens and members of this group, seem to be
hoping for it only to bolster their argument against it.
As I said before, every platform out there has weaknesses, there is
nothing, repeat nothing in our arsenal that can't be killed. Men will
die in the Osprey, it is going to happen. Who in this group is going
to find that to be a good event and use it to say "I told you so?" I
can think of a couple that will. And they disgust me.

BB

I guess everybody has some mountain to climb.
It's just fate whether you live in Kansas or Tibet...


David Markley decided that my offering an "early warning" to those who
post in this group was some form of "rooting for American soldiers to
die". Far from it, the more the V-22 flies milk runs, the sooner some
bright type will work out a means of hitting it in the air or on the
ground.
  #44  
Old February 7th 08, 02:30 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval,sci.military.naval,us.military.army
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Tiger wrote:
Vince wrote:
Dean A. Markley wrote:

Wow Jack, did you not get laid recently or what? People here have
presented some pretty good evidence that the V-22 is working and that
it has been tested thoroughly. But you just keep sniping away! Your
last statement there is uncalled for. It really sounds like you are
rooting for terrorists to kill American soldiers.

Dean




it's at most "flying without crashing" two hours a day on safe
missions delivering toilet paper and VIPs from one base to another

and its 3 times the cost of the competition

Vince


You know when Sikorsky invented the helicopter, people said the same
about it vs fixed wing aircraft. A C130 can do the same job, carry more
stuff & farther than your 30 yr old rotor craft. Only problem is a
runway. Competition? What competition? The Ch 46 And 47 will never go
any faster, fly any higher or further or be any more safe in a LZ.


And a camel won't do very well either
why do you pick the 46 47 comparison?. The V-22 is an incredibly more
expensive aircraft using twice the weight and power to deliver the same
or less cargo
The V-22 can't auto rotate and has almost twice the down wash. So
forget the More safe in a LZ crap

Vince
  #45  
Old February 7th 08, 02:31 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval,sci.military.naval,us.military.army
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Tiger wrote:
Vince wrote:

Next will be the post office needing Ferrari mail trucks to move the
mail faster

Vince



It might help. My mail delivery is rather slow actually. A Mail truck
with a V-12 And paddle shifters would be kinda cool. :-)


2-3 million a pop and you've got it

I can sense the marine corps brass salivating right now

Vince
  #46  
Old February 7th 08, 02:38 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval,sci.military.naval,us.military.army
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Colin Campbell wrote:
On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 08:14:39 -0500, Vince wrote:



If you are flying toilet paper and VIPs from protected base to protected
base you can make all kinds of claims about "taking it to war" and
"getting the job done".

But the claims are crap since toilet paper and VIP transport were not
the rationale for this extremely expensive truck


Just as your claims of 'flying toilet paper' are crap.


1) provide list of missions and cargo in an attack environment

Explain to us why we should listen to you instead of the people who
actually use the aircraft?



2) because they are afraid to provide the above

You know so little about the subject that myself and red spent days
ridiculing you - and you never even caught on!


horse****

They are moving toilet paper and VIPS from one safe paved based to another

Feel free to provide any cites for your nonsense


Vince
  #47  
Old February 7th 08, 02:40 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval,sci.military.naval,us.military.army
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Colin Campbell wrote:
On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:42:58 -0500, Tiger
wrote:


Well what would you call a Ch-46 or Ch-47? Neither are expected to be
"AIRWOLF" or "Blue Thunder." Yes, it's truck. A pricey truck. But a
better truck in the long run.


Vince does not care about facts. He decided that the aircraft cannot
fly and no real world evidence can convince him otherwise.


It flies, that's about it. it uses 12000 hp to lift a massive empty
weight aircraft.

its a turkey and all the crap that a 12,000 hp aircraft should be
classified as medium lift aircraft cant cover up the crap


This turkey is the same weight and HP as a Ch-53 with a small fraction
of the payload

Vince
  #48  
Old February 7th 08, 02:42 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval,sci.military.naval,us.military.army
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Colin Campbell wrote:
On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 09:50:24 +1300, Kerryn Offord
wrote:


It's not a better "truck" for the job of delivering toilet paper (VIPs
might enjoy the faster ride etc) which is all it seems to be doing
currently.


Vince has been making the claim that the V-22 has been delivering
toilet paper.

All this demonstrates is that the:
1) Has no clue about military logistics (and thus is totally
unqualified to comment on what type of aircraft is best for the
mission).
2) Has no clue about air operations in Iraq.

You see - Vince sits in a university (where the students have to
pretend to believe what he says in order to get a good grade) and as a
result feels that 'real world' information is irrelevant.

Of course Vince has a habit of pontificating on subjects he knows
nothing about. When I was in Iraq he tried to lecture me on enemy
car-bomb tactics when everything he knew about the subject came from
having lunch with an Irish policeman once.

Then he tried to lecture myself and red about Cavalry doctrine (both
myself and red served in the same Cavalry squadron about 10 years
ago).

Vince is little more than a source of amusement.


and all you have is personal attacks

sticks and stones

feel free to provide real cites and sources


how many combat attack missions where they take off and land un upaved
areas near enemy forces ?

otherwise it's toilet paper and VIPs no matter how much crap you throw

Vince


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Old February 7th 08, 02:52 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval,sci.military.naval,us.military.army
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redc1c4 wrote:
Ponce wrote:
Tiger wrote:
Jack Linthicum wrote:
On Feb 5, 9:25 am, " wrote:



reads just like the discounted first few. I would like to see a nice
unclassified test and evaluation report, even a document number, that
tells me this has elements of the truth in it and is not some
Henderson Hall flack making up war stories.

You know being a playa hater is not cool? The Anti Osprey crowd seems to
wish for any snipet of bad news. How about giving the Thunder Chickens
some credit? They have taken it to war and are getting the job done. Any
lack of firing on them again is a sign of good things. Like perhaps the
surge is really calming things over there. Exploding retarded ladies
excepted of course....

If you are flying toilet paper and VIPs from protected base to protected
base you can make all kinds of claims about "taking it to war" and
"getting the job done".

But the claims are crap since toilet paper and VIP transport were not
the rationale for this extremely expensive truck

Vince


do you need another block of instruction on logistics?



I got irelevant bull**** claims

Logistics has been a subject of military study since Marius. I've
studied French German and US systems evolved since the 1860s.

you presented bull**** with a smear of terminology laid on it

feel free to provide cites, not crap

Vince

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Old February 7th 08, 03:53 PM posted to rec.aviation.military, rec.aviation.military.naval,sci.military.naval, us.military.army
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On Feb 7, 8:40*am, Vince wrote:

This turkey is the same weight and HP as a Ch-53 with a small fraction
of the payload


Plus a hell of a lot more speed and range. Which, IIRC, is the entire
point behind the tiltrotor, that it can go faster and further than
conventional helos. They're not in helicopter mode until and unless
they're touching down somewhere. Even if it's just being used as a
transport, it's still getting from point A to point B faster. And I've
read at least one report that Ospreys have been sent out with Marines
on insurgent hunts.
 




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