Sold out by IFR

Abraham Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt

Mike
MU-2

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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"Abafon Goula" wrote in message
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On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 10:12:54 -0800, Jeff wrote:

Well the elections are comming up, if you think things are getting bad
now,
wait untill GW gets re-elected (if he does), then he has no reason to
not
hold
back since he would be on his last term.

Let's kick his dumb ass out! Might be nice to have a president that
has at least half a brain and not a puppet.

And which one from the past 150 years or more, would fit that description?

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
ink.net...
I would argue that national parks and medical R&D are National issues and
as
such should be funded at the National level. An artifical rain forest in
Iowa is clearly not a National issue

Here is another national issue that needs some funding: Our sick dependance
on foreign oil that funds the very terrorists that seek to destroy us. And
I'm not talking about some wacky unworkable idea for hydrogen fuel in 20 or
30 years.

Where is the backbone of real leadership? No. Our so-called leaders wish to
spend us into oblivion instead.

Sounds similar to my policy(ies). Some companies lost a good customer,
and some have really impressed me.


"Haywood Jablome" wrote in message
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"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message news:JVgTb.81

The difference between me and you is that I could not be bothered to
play
that game. So I let my subscription slide years ago. So now they get
nothing
and I am spared of the bull****.

In the "old days", companies used to "nickel and dime", you to death.
Today,
it's $50 and $100 you to death.

Not a month goes by I don't find someone trying to slip and extra $10,
$20,
$50...past us on a billing statement. Of course, the "error" is never in
MY
favor. :~(

I'm on a screw you diet.
The rules are simple:

1. If the price is fair, I will pay it. You do not waste my time with
negotiations.

2. If there is a problem with your product, I give you one chance to fix
it.
If you cannot fix it satisfactorily and fast the first time, I will return
it for a refund.

3. If I have to wait more than 10 minutes maximum to talk to your tech
support on the phone then I will take my business elsewhere.

4. I do not stand and wait in any queue for more than 4 minutes. After
which
time I leave the goods exactly where they are and walk out of the store
(losers on welfare have an excuse to wait in line)

5. If you have me between a rock and a hard place - tardy contractors are
an
example - I will harrass you by telephone at your home and/or business at
least 4 times a day until you make good.

Try it. It works.

"Mike Rapoport" wrote:
' I'm not sure exactly what gainI'll be missing. Every spring there
are
articles in every aviation mag about flying when there is convective
weather. After flying a few years and being exposed to 100 such
articles
admonishing us not to fly into a thunderstorm, what is gained be
reading one
more?

I dunno, Mike - I think IFR is a cut above most of that stuff. I'm sure
I've found more real-world, useful stuff there than in the other mags.
It's funny, too.

Belvoir's subscription dept. irritates me, too, but not enough to dump
IFR.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM
(remove pants to reply by email)

I had a similar problem with Flying Magazine. My wife got me a subscription
over the web. After it ran out, they started calling us on the phone to
try to get us to renew. We told them over and over to put our number on
their do not call list, threatened them, whatever, but the calls kept coming
in. I sent a letter to Flying Magazine and got a letter of apology, but
they claimed they couldn't do much about it because it was a separate
marketing company or whatever. Needless to say, I stopped the subscription.

I really liked IFR magazine originally. Seems like they had some good info
that filled in the cracks other magazines left. I still go back and re-read
some of the old issues. But after a few years, it seems to be getting
somewhat redundant. I was always dismayed at how much it cost. They need a
few more advertisers to bring the cost down.

.... Aaron

"Abafon Goula" wrote in message
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On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 20:58:25 GMT, "JFee"
wrote:

I was upset about the same thing. Last year I joined for $24 and this
year
they sent me renewal notice for $40!

So I crossed off the $40 on the renewal notice, wrote in $24 with a short
note that if they charged me the same rate I subscribed at, I would
renew.

Sure enough, they sent me a bill for only $24, and I kept receiving the
magazine (though i hesitate to call it that.. more of a newsletter, I
think)

That's funny! I decided to see if they improved a while back and
subscribed. True to form, they started sending me renewal notices
before I received my first issue. After the fourth notice, I told
them to cram it.


"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
nk.net...
I used to subscribe to IFR until I realized that they offered a much
better
rate to new subscribers than to existing ones. After realizing this,
my
four year old decided to subscribe :-). Today he recieved a
solicitation
from another aviation magazine. Obviously they sold his (and my) name
and
address. I always check the little box indicating that I don't want my
information shared and I don't want to recieve any offers. I will
never
subscribe to any Belvoire publication again.

Just had to vent after calling a credit card company and telling them
not
to
send me any more ot their stupid balance tranfer checks. It was the
third
time I called them. I am in the national opt out list for all
pre-approved
credit and I still get at least two "offers" a day. I guess that
Congress
is so busy spending our hard earned money developing rainforests in
Iowa
and
subsidized rail to Disneyland that they don't have time for legislation
that
ordinary people really care about.

Mike
MU-2

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
nk.net...
Abraham Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt


You could not have named two that did more to let the "cat outta the bag".
Well, no, they weren't puppets, but they sure liked to pull the strings.

It's a quetion who money was worse, J. Davis' Confederate money, or
Lincoln's "Greenbacks". Lincoln started us on the road to the overarching
state, and Teddy gave us the start (and a goodly trip down the road) to the
Military-Industrial Complex.



Mike
MU-2

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
...

"Abafon Goula" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 10:12:54 -0800, Jeff wrote:

Well the elections are comming up, if you think things are getting
bad
now,
wait untill GW gets re-elected (if he does), then he has no reason to
not
hold
back since he would be on his last term.

Let's kick his dumb ass out! Might be nice to have a president that
has at least half a brain and not a puppet.

And which one from the past 150 years or more, would fit that
description?

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
ink.net...
I would argue that national parks and medical R&D are National issues and
as
such should be funded at the National level.

And neither are government issues...state of federal.


An artifical rain forest in
Iowa is clearly not a National issue

Quite! That would be one for Disneyland.

"Haywood Jablome" wrote in message
news:zYhTb.75843$U%5.411352@attbi_s03...
"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
ink.net...
I would argue that national parks and medical R&D are National issues
and
as
such should be funded at the National level. An artifical rain forest
in
Iowa is clearly not a National issue

Here is another national issue that needs some funding: Our sick
dependance
on foreign oil that funds the very terrorists that seek to destroy us. And
I'm not talking about some wacky unworkable idea for hydrogen fuel in 20
or
30 years.

Where is the backbone of real leadership? No. Our so-called leaders wish
to
spend us into oblivion instead.


Probably the idiot that gave us the Department of Energy.

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
news
Where is the backbone of real leadership? No. Our so-called leaders wish
to
spend us into oblivion instead.

Probably the idiot that gave us the Department of Energy.

The Department of Energy is about as useful as a Department of Peace.

What is it about the magazine that people seem to find so
wonderful?

Dunno. Some people like the writing style, but it really gets on my
nerves.