Airspeed of military planes

"Cub Driver" wrote in message
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Close to final, they will usually slow
themselves to 250 Kts or slower unless told otherwise.

I hope one of those suckers never gets behind Zero Six Hotel in the
pattern!

Don't worry. He won't be there long!
DH

"Glenn Westfall" wrote in message
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I'm an Air Force Air Traffic Controller and am currently working in
Okinawa, Japan. We have F-15's here at Kadena and it is not uncommon
for them to come back well above 400 Kts below 10,000. We usually
only worry about slowing them down if they are being sequenced to
follow another aircraft. Close to final, they will usually slow
themselves to 250 Kts or slower unless told otherwise.


The airspeed limitation he's referring to is found in a Federal Aviation
Regulation,
which is applicable only within the US.

Close to final, they will usually slow
themselves to 250 Kts or slower unless told otherwise.
I hope one of those suckers never gets behind Zero Six Hotel in the
pattern!

Don't worry, Dan -- they don't occupy the same piece of space for long.
I've flown a pattern with two F-15s, and whatever *they* were doing was
totally unrelated to anything *we* were doing.

We were mere insects to their space-ships.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Hi Steven,

The airspeed limitation he's referring to is found in a Federal Aviation
Regulation,
which is applicable only within the US.

Also in germany. 250kt below FL 100 except for planes which need to be
flown faster.

Regards,
Peter

Yes, but the problems occur when us insects splatter on the windshield
of those fast moving "space-ships". Even though it rarely occurs, it is
usually catastrophic for the insects. Remember the incident several
years ago in around Manatee County, Florida when a Cessna and a fighter
collided.

Nick
PA28-180 'D"

Jay Honeck wrote:
Close to final, they will usually slow
themselves to 250 Kts or slower unless told otherwise.

I hope one of those suckers never gets behind Zero Six Hotel in the
pattern!


Don't worry, Dan -- they don't occupy the same piece of space for long.
I've flown a pattern with two F-15s, and whatever *they* were doing was
totally unrelated to anything *we* were doing.

We were mere insects to their space-ships.

"N. Funk" wrote in message
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Yes, but the problems occur when us insects splatter on the windshield
of those fast moving "space-ships". Even though it rarely occurs, it is
usually catastrophic for the insects. Remember the incident several
years ago in around Manatee County, Florida when a Cessna and a fighter
collided.


It's usually catastrophic for the "space-ships" as well.

I can't comment on the MiG but having fought Eagles many times over the
years, I can say that both the light and dark gray versions are remarkably
agile at speeds well below 400KIAS.

As for the "250 below 10" thing, it not only depends on the jet one flies
but also where you're flying it. MOAs, Restricted Areas and VR/IR routes
are the most common exceptions, but any high traffic terminal area warrants
compliance -- either by regulation or common sense. Most TACAIR use
300-400kt climb schedules to intercept an IMN somewhere above 10K'.

"S. Sampson" wrote in message
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"Glenn Westfall" wrote
I'm an Air Force Air Traffic Controller and am currently working in
Okinawa, Japan. We have F-15's here at Kadena and it is not uncommon
for them to come back well above 400 Kts below 10,000. We usually
only worry about slowing them down if they are being sequenced to
follow another aircraft. Close to final, they will usually slow
themselves to 250 Kts or slower unless told otherwise.

I've heard that F-15's and Mig-29's are pigs below 400 knots :-)
The AOA is probably in the teens by 250 knots...

Hi there BT.

A couple questions if you'll indulge us.

At 540 kts and 1000AGL, I'd be damn worried about hitting a GA spam
can. I know the training routes are on the charts, but a lot of GA
pilots don't pay attention to those.

I've dodged more than one or two GA aircraft. We really had to be careful
during crop dusting season.. we'd be at 500ft and they would be below us..
the local Crop dusters knew our routes and would post NOTAM equivelant for
us when there would be working in the route structure.

I assume most aircraft have a military version of TCAD/TCAS? Does
this give suficient heads up to keep separation from the slow moving
GA traffic?

NOPE.. none on the military aircraft when I was flying. Some of the
"fighters" may sweep scan from time to time for GA aircraft.. but not
capable to do that in the B1.

It's called See and Be Seen.. proper use of the Mark1 Eyeball and proper
scanning techniques.

Like I said.. I've seen a few.. had to alter course a couple of times.. but
nothing really close. At least the ones I saw.

BT

"BTIZ"

wrote:Like I said.. I've seen a few.. had to alter course a couple of times..
but
nothing really close. At least the ones I saw.

I was about 50 miles behind a scud-running Stearman, who was inbound to Iron
Mountain at 400 AGL. He called out that a 'black shape' just passed below him.
He didn't see it coming or going. Always wanted to ask: how low do you go?
Thx,
VL

Hi Susan. I don't know if I've just missed your previous posts or not,
but I'm not familiar with your military career, and it'd be interesting to
hear from another military pilot in these parts. So what did you fly? For
how long? Cheers,

Tony

"Susan VanCamp" wrote in message
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I can't comment on the MiG but having fought Eagles many times over the
years, I can say that both the light and dark gray versions are remarkably
agile at speeds well below 400KIAS.

As for the "250 below 10" thing, it not only depends on the jet one flies
but also where you're flying it. MOAs, Restricted Areas and VR/IR routes
are the most common exceptions, but any high traffic terminal area
warrants
compliance -- either by regulation or common sense. Most TACAIR use
300-400kt climb schedules to intercept an IMN somewhere above 10K'.

"S. Sampson" wrote in message
news:lQnQb.6287$ce2.322@okepread03...
"Glenn Westfall" wrote
I'm an Air Force Air Traffic Controller and am currently working in
Okinawa, Japan. We have F-15's here at Kadena and it is not uncommon
for them to come back well above 400 Kts below 10,000. We usually
only worry about slowing them down if they are being sequenced to
follow another aircraft. Close to final, they will usually slow
themselves to 250 Kts or slower unless told otherwise.

I've heard that F-15's and Mig-29's are pigs below 400 knots :-)
The AOA is probably in the teens by 250 knots...