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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message ... On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 03:37:31 -0400, "Happy Dog" Bull****. Do you still live with your mother? moo At the risk of having misinterpreted another of your outbursts, please let me request that you compose a cognate rebuttal worthy of rational discussion. Ha good luck with that request. |
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Larry Dighera wrote:
It seems that the issue of the FAA closing the 2,000 square mile airspace around DC is capable of generating a lot of heat among the pilot community. Let's try to see if we can use this forum to generate some light, and mount an effective opposition to the FAA's NPRM: http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsite...4adiz-nprm.pdf Not only that, but pull out the sections on how much this is going to cost the FAA and hand that out to your aquaintances outside the aviation community. Perhaps something along the lines of "their taxes" going to pay for Congresscritters' cowardice and "feel-good" efforts would be in order. George Patterson Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks. |
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They would be fired within ten minutes of refusing to fly there.
This is bad if other pilots fill in for them. But if NOBODY flies there, then there is leverage. I'm not holding my breath though. Jose -- Quantum Mechanics is like this: God =does= play dice with the universe, except there's no God, and there's no dice. And maybe there's no universe. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message \"Larry Dighera"
wrote in I disagree. The DC ADIZ provides an opportunity for the military to intercept flights that violate it before they might enter the FRZ within which lethal force may be exercised. If the DC ADIZ (or something similar) did not exist, there would be no opportunity to determine how much of a threat those flights might be, and the military would have no other option but to shoot them down. Bull****. Do you still live with your mother? At the risk of having misinterpreted another of your outbursts, please let me request that you compose a cognate rebuttal worthy of rational discussion. It should be obvious. You continually suggest that the ADIZ is a necessary government as nanny action to protect us from ourselves. It isn't. m |
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"Larry Dighera"
I'm talking about radar screen clutter. Yes. I see no other rational reason for the DC ADIZ. Why do you think it was implemented? Political pressure. Absolute irrelevant bull****. Are you able to provide any supporting evidence for that assumption? http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsite...50803adiz.html As for clutter, have you visited a radar facility? Does the SoCal TRACON count? It's a computer game. No. It's real time tracking of aircraft in the NAS. There is a huge amount of filtering that goes on specifically to reduce clutter. Are you referring to the clutter caused by ground based targets? I'm referring to making it easier to spot primary targets in congested airspace. Why? ATC was not consulted when the ADIZ was created. I have seen no evidence that ATC has asked for relief from the problem you claim exists. The burden of proof rests with you. moo |
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In article x5OIe.27$f.11@trndny09, George Patterson
wrote: Not only that, but pull out the sections on how much this is going to cost the FAA and hand that out to your aquaintances outside the aviation community. Perhaps something along the lines of "their taxes" going to pay for Congresscritters' cowardice and "feel-good" efforts would be in order. two words: user fees. -- Bob Noel no one likes an educated mule |
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The folks that live there feel safe surrounded by millions of people living
elbow to elbow and most probably haven't and never will fly in a small plane and experience the joy that we do. Ah, no, we don't live elbow to elbow. In fact, much of the western part of the ADIZ, between Leesburg and 30 nm west of IAD is fairly sparcely populated. And, yes, there are GA pilots inside the ADIZ. For some reason, I had assumed (wrongly, I guess), that most of the people involved in this discussion where also in ADIZ and were thus annoyed by this proposal. |
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For some reason, I had assumed (wrongly, I guess), that most of the
people involved in this discussion where also in ADIZ and were thus annoyed by this proposal. You don't have to be under the ADIZ to be affected by it. Jose -- Quantum Mechanics is like this: God =does= play dice with the universe, except there's no God, and there's no dice. And maybe there's no universe. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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Jose wrote:
You don't have to be under the ADIZ to be affected by it. You don't have to be affected by it to be offended by it either. - Andrew |
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On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 10:35:07 -0700, "Terry Briggs"
wrote in :: Sadly, I have come to the conclusion that it is hopeless to fight battles like the Washington area ADIZ. With such an attitude, you can be _assured_ that your view will not prevail. Given the fact that the FAA must address the points raised during the NPRM comment period, each idea submitted in opposition to the NOPR must be rationally explained away or adopted. This issue isn't really about the number of pilots at this point in the process. |
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