We Are All Spaniards

On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 19:47:47 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

We are all Spaniards today.

Hi Jay,

That alliance is probably what the terrorists are fighting. And you
also know this, so would want to make them angry by using it. But it
is now a more pained relationship. This could continue, and likely
will.

But not all of us consider ourselves Spaniards. It isn't that we have
something against Spain; but that we don't have the time, nor the
internals to become so emotionally involved. And it isn't just Spain
with whom we might want to limit our personal relationships.
Commitment of militaries is not the only cost; and that is a cost.

You make the statement grandly, to anger the terrorists; believing
they have no valid complaint. (I am not without sympathy for Spain.)
But are the terrorists acting out of only insanity? Is no one
discussing their motives at all?

Our habit of ignorance developed out of the Middle East troubles, to
protect Israel. (We know what the trouble is there. It is religion.
Huh?) But now we're stuck in this 'quiet' mode, and ignoring a
complaint which some might believe to be valid. We choose to be
silent about what? Sovereignty, for it would interfere with our
vision of the world; which is ours to mold. We are NOT for
sovereignty (at least, the World Trade Center is not), and that is
what those oil-rich, sand-bound terrorists are so insecure about.
They are not the only ones.

Mike

On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 19:47:47 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

We are all Spaniards today.

If today's election results and the rhetoric around them in Spain
represent what Spaniards think, the subject header for this thread may
qualify for Usenet's "Unintended Irony of the Week" award.

Don

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Rest assured that all Americans stand with you, that we will
remember our allies, and that we will help you find the swine who
perpetrated this atrocity.

The socialists have just won the election & Zapatero has
pledged to withdraw troops from Iraq. Looks like it's
down to the US, Britain, Australia and Poland. Rather
like last time.

The socialists have just won the election & Zapatero has
pledged to withdraw troops from Iraq. Looks like it's
down to the US, Britain, Australia and Poland. Rather
like last time.

With this election the Spanish have actually legitimized the very attackers
they supposedly revile, and endangered us all in the process.

This election will encourage the terrorists like nothing else has.
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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With this election the Spanish have actually legitimized the very
attackers
they supposedly revile, and endangered us all in the process.

This election will encourage the terrorists like nothing else has.

How did you get from electing socialists to legitimizing Islam
fundamentalists?

Michael

legitimizing might have been the wrong word. However, it demonstrated to
them that terrorist acts can affect the elections of a sovereign nation.


"Michael 182" wrote in message
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:ev85c.13233$Cb.306915@attbi_s51...

With this election the Spanish have actually legitimized the very
attackers
they supposedly revile, and endangered us all in the process.

This election will encourage the terrorists like nothing else has.

How did you get from electing socialists to legitimizing Islam
fundamentalists?

Michael

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 03:03:19 GMT, "Roy Epperson"
wrote:

legitimizing might have been the wrong word. However, it demonstrated to
them that terrorist acts can affect the elections of a sovereign nation.


Too simple. The Spanish have resisted the Basques for decades.

Don

"Roy Epperson" wrote in message
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legitimizing might have been the wrong word. However, it demonstrated to
them that terrorist acts can affect the elections of a sovereign nation.


Is that not how the republicans got a majority in both houses after 911
what's your point?

In article hE85c.8720$J05.102917@attbi_s01, "Michael 182"
writes:

How did you get from electing socialists to legitimizing Islam
fundamentalists?

Quite simple. By staging their attack just before an election, the Islamic
facists effectively took down an entire government. The socialists were
expected to loose by a wide margin before the attack. Most socialist parties
and organizations have been far more friendly to the Islamic cause than anyone
else. Expect similar just before the next election in Britain.

Fortunately, we may be luckier, as such an attack in America would likely have
the opposite effect. We will see.

John

In article , JohnMcGrew wrote:
expected to loose by a wide margin before the attack. Most socialist parties
and organizations have been far more friendly to the Islamic cause than anyone
else. Expect similar just before the next election in Britain.

Let's see: Britain currently has a socialist (or at least
quasi-socialist) party in power at the moment: the Labour Party. The
Conservative Party is at least as gung-ho, if not more so about
supporting the United States. The 'special relationship' with the US
enjoys strong cross-party support in Britain. The terrorists would
likely just bring in a government with an even stronger resolve to keep
fighting.

I think those who say the Spanish changed the Government because of a
terrorist act are missing the point: the Spanish changed their
government because the one in power tried to lie and distort and spin
about the whole tragic affair and got caught. The Spanish didn't elect
the other lot to appease terrorists, they elected the other lot to
punish the incumbent for bare-faced lying.

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