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Old February 5th 19, 10:42 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Jim White[_3_]
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At risk of being the odd man out:

I quite like the tactical aspect of gliding competition. It adds another
layer to the sport over and above simply flying well and exploiting the
air. For me, it makes competition more interesting.

With the start button / delay proposal we may lose goggles (I doubt it) but
we also lose this tactical element.

Jim

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Old February 5th 19, 01:35 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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There was more detail in the Y1 proposal.

https://www.fai.org/sites/default/fi...r_1_p rop.pdf

best,
Evan Ludeman / T8

On Tuesday, February 5, 2019 at 3:00:15 AM UTC-5, Per Carlin wrote:
Sorry to say this. But the US proposal will not change the starting game at all.

What you are proposal is just another linear function of how to distribute the points. It will be equally important not to lose more points than necessary for each day and it will be equally hard to catch up lost points tomorrow. Therefore will it not change the behavior of us competitors.

What you can do to create an initiative is the use an non-linear distribution of points.

Example:
The gaggle flies with 100km/h around an 300k task. If you are 5km/h faster or slower gives you equally gain or lost in points (linear function of speed). But it is much harder to fly 5km/h faster than 5km/h slower (or it is easier to make mistakes that cost 5km/h than to beat the gaggle). Therefore should the faster gain more points than the slower losses (a non-linear function of speed).
A system where it actually pays to leave the gaggle and win the day will eventually brake down the gaggles.

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Old February 5th 19, 01:55 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Tuesday, February 5, 2019 at 9:48:15 AM UTC+2, Per Carlin wrote:
I would say that this proposal is beautiful. It will brake down the start game, all competitions have to make there own tactical decision about when to start.

In Kawas(or any one else in leading position) case is there no need to make an false start to trig the leachers (as it is today). When the leader is starting are all the leachers at least 10min behind as they has not pressed the event button when needed. The concept of have to be in the gaggle disappears as there will be no gaggles. All pilots has to make their own idea of the right starting time and that with 10-20min in advance. The only gaggle that will appear is by those who had the same idea of what is the “right” time to start.


The dynamics of start game will be this: top team, the leaders, will start. Everyone else will press event button and start 10 minutes later. Instead of 50 glider gaggle we will have a one pair followed by 48 glider gaggle. Sorry for cynicism.
 




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