Chinese (and other) pilots unable to speak English pose danger for air travel (CNN)

Dallas wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:08:16 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:

As hard as it may be for residents of the city to accept, there is
more to the world outside of Dallas.

Tell ya what...

Why don't you make a list of all the foreign countries you've been to
and I'll respond with a list of my own and we'll see who's got the
widest world view.

That'd be fine, except he lies like a rug! Would anyone here buy a car from
Mx?

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In rec.aviation.piloting Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Jun 29, 12:09 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:
This matches with what I experienced recently. I was on the ground
aboard a United passenger flight from Brazil to the USA and listening
to the onboard channel 9 ATC to kill time. Except for the United and a
Lufthansa pilot also awaiting clearance to taxi, every other pilot was
talking Portuguese. The controllers spoke perfect ATC English but
switched to Portuguese for the local pilots. I was thinking this could
easily lead to a lack of situational awareness in a large airport like
Sao Paulo's.

You're not supposed to require any communication with anyone other than ATC,
so if you need to hear other pilots on the frequency, there is a problem.

Pathetically clueless. Sometimes I feel I should pity you. But
you're wrong most to all of the time, so I don't; you deserve the
(negative) feedback you get for your mistakes.

You should try flying some time. There is a difference between
"minimum requirements" and "useful information".

He already mentioned that he doesn't want to step foot anywhere
inside a plane, but when is given the right information by pilots and
controllers here and other places, he argues that they are wrong.

Either way, back on topic. On the KLAS LiveATC feed today, a
pilot was having radio issues (carrier, no voice). ATC couldn't hear
him, but other pilots could. So ATC asked another pilot to relay what
ATC was asking him to do. That worked and through that proxy pilot, ATC
got that pilot back on the ground so he could work on the radio.

Plus, Anthony, 4 words. Common. Traffic. Advisory. Frequency.

BL.
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On 2007-06-29 06:38:49 -0700, (Paul Tomblin) said:

In a previous article, Matthias van Henk said:
As more and more aviation business is operated from Asia and Chinese is
the most spoken language in the world all communication should be made
in Chinese then. :-)

There is no such language as "Chinese". There are dozens of mutually
unintelligible languages in China. I know people from different areas of
China who can't even understand each other when they're supposedly both
speaking Mandarin, so they speak English to each other.

You see that all over Asia. People who supposedly speak the same
dialect who cannot understand each other, so they speak English.
English has become what Esperanto was intended to be.
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World Famous Flight Instructor

On 2007-06-29 08:00:54 -0700, "Maxwell" said:


"El Maximo" wrote in message
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"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote in message
news

If Won Wing Low had been the Father of Aviation, it could have been!

Allegedly, a Pan Am 727 flight waiting for start clearance in Munich
overheard the following:
Lufthansa (in German): "Ground, what is our start clearance time?"
Ground (in English): "If you want an answer you must speak in English."
Lufthansa (in English): "I am a German, flying a German airplane, in
Germany. Why must I speak English?"
Unknown voice from another plane (in a beautiful British accent): "Because
you lost the bloody war."


I think we can all rest assured teach the world to speak understandable
English is not a long term problem. Everything will be going to Spanish in a
few years anyway.

The Chinese are studying English by the millions. There are more
non-native English speakers than there are native English speakers, and
the gap is growing.

It is a mistake to think that the things that are done on behalf of an
American cultural minority mean that America is going to change to
Spanish. Even less so for the entire rest of the world. English is
rapidly becoming the universal language of the world. Declare yourself
an English teacher and you can get a job practically anywhere in Asia,
the Middle East, Africa, or even South America.

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Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

On 2007-06-29 11:18:09 -0700, K Baum said:

On Jun 29, 4:39 am, "El Maximo" wrote:

Lufthansa (in German): "Ground, what is our start clearance time?"
Ground (in English): "If you want an answer you must speak in English."
Lufthansa (in English): "I am a German, flying a German airplane, in
Germany. Why must I speak English?"

What is interesting is that in Mexico and parts of South America, the
controllers speak Spanish with local (or domestic) flights, and
english with international flights.
KB.

They do at the major airports. Get off the beaten track and you might
find a controller that does not speak English. Also, there is no
guarantee that the local commandant will speak English when you land at
some of the smaller airports. Fortunately, he usually has a jeep and
can take you to somebody who does speak English.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

In a previous article, C J Campbell said:
What is interesting is that in Mexico and parts of South America, the
controllers speak Spanish with local (or domestic) flights, and
english with international flights.
They do at the major airports. Get off the beaten track and you might
find a controller that does not speak English. Also, there is no
guarantee that the local commandant will speak English when you land at
some of the smaller airports. Fortunately, he usually has a jeep and
can take you to somebody who does speak English.

At gunpoint, possibly.


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On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:39:21 +0200, the renowned Mxsmanic
wrote:

Donald Newcomb writes:

I wonder if the tests are all written, like in Japan where everyone studies
English but few people can speak it?

According to the news segment on CNN, the new test is verbal. It must be
extremely easy, though, since they interviewed a Chinese pilot who had passed
it and he was incomprehensible--and it was obvious that he had barely
understood the question put to him as well.

Are you sure he wasn't a Chinese pirate?


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Why don't you go back to wherever you were for the past week and bother some
other people for a change?

Maxwell wrote:
I think we can all rest assured teach the world to speak
understandable English is not a long term problem. Everything will be
going to Spanish in a few years anyway.

In the US, possibly.


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On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 17:45:32 -0500, ManhattanMan wrote:

That'd be fine, except he lies like a rug! Would anyone here buy a car from
Mx?

That's ok.. I figure even if he lies we'll all know it. Everyone knows he
rarely leaves his apartment.

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Dallas