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Charles O'Rourke wrote:
Matt Whiting wrote: I don't remember which field was narrowest, but I believe it was near Pittsburgh, PA. I'll have to check my log book. I DO remember the shortest I landed at. It is K9B1. It is less than 1700' with obstructions at both ends. Landing the Skylane was no problem, requiring only about 1000' with light braking. However, the sight picture when I turned final was unnerving. The book said I had plenty of space so I trusted the numbers. The pilot I bought my plane from learned at Marlboro (9B1), and he demonstrated the STOL characteristics of my plane by landing and taking off at 9B1. What a blast! Coming in down over those trees on short final is a thrill. Yes, when I turned final, my first thought was that this runway couldn't possibly be long enough to land on. However, at some point you have to trust the numbers and trust your training. It all worked out fine, but it did get the adrenaline flowing just a little bit more than normal. :-) Matt |
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Freehold, NY (1I5) is the narrowest I've ever landed on - 22 feet. I
thought that Stroudsberg Pocono (N53) was narrow at 30 feet, but turning final at Freehold, it just gets narrower the closer you get. The Cherokee I was in at the time is 10' between the mains, but on that runway, it seems like it's a lot wider. You really want to track the centerline. The grass is cut, however. In the Northeast in the winter, you have to watch the snowbanks on either side of the runway. There have been times that I thought that a high wing might be nice. -- Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways) "Kyle Boatright" wrote in message ... What's the narrowest runway you've ever used? At what runway width are you comfortable? Among other things, I had an interesting experience yesterday with a runway that was far narrower than any I'd used before... |
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Kyle Boatright wrote:
What's the narrowest runway you've ever used? We flew gliders off the turf in Readington, NJ, some years ago. One day I followed the Lark around the pattern in an SGS 1-26. The Lark landed nice and short (I started aiming to land over him), but then rolled out long and stopped in the middle of the runway. The only clear space available was the diagonal swath cut by the tractor as he'd headed for the barn after his last pass down the runway... maybe 12 feet wide, maybe less. The 1-26 sits about 6 inches off the ground and has glider-sized wings. As I eased her into that skinny little slot, both wings settled nicely into 12-ish inches of grass. That was also the shortest landing I've ever made, by a very large margin. :-| -Dave Russell N2S-3 |
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On 11 May 2005 07:57:14 -0700, "Robert M. Gary"
wrote: 15 feet. I was bringing a J-3 home to its new owner and the guy asked me to bring it to his airfield. It was paved (but cracking) but the grass around it had grown up onto the runway. Putting a J-3 on a 15 foot wide runway it interesting because you can't see ahead of you (you fly from the back) I lost sight of the runway just as the wheels touched. I had to take it on faith that I was still on the runway. Once I was at taxi speed I could taxi by looking straight down and watching the wheel. That's what wheelies are for! (There is of course a point when the tail comes down. 15 feet is pretty narrow for S turns!) -- all the best, Dan Ford email (put Cubdriver in subject line) Warbird's Forum: www.warbirdforum.com Piper Cub Forum: www.pipercubforum.com the blog: www.danford.net In Search of Lost Time: www.readingproust.com |
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On Thu, 12 May 2005 01:48:11 GMT, Matt Whiting
wrote: The pilot I bought my plane from learned at Marlboro (9B1), and he demonstrated the STOL characteristics of my plane by landing and taking off at 9B1. What a blast! Coming in down over those trees on short final is a thrill. Yes, when I turned final, my first thought was that this runway couldn't possibly be long enough to land on. 1659 feet is pretty short for a public-use airport. I've heard that many Cessna drivers won't land at Hampton NH because it's so short (about 2500 feet). I think the narrowest paved runway I've ever landed on was 40 feet (Sterling MA). I was a student pilot, and it seemed noticably narrower than the 50 feet I was accustomed to land on. More grass fields of course are much wider--Hampton's I think is 250 feet. They also tend to be on the short side. In Damian Delgaizo's bush-flying course in Andover NJ he had me landing and taking off on a strip that was about 250x500 feet. That was in a Husky, however. I found that the techniques didn't translate very well to a J-3. If you try to fly the final with power on and nose high in a Cub, the dang thang will just keep on flying forever. The bestest field in the world however is a private field near Hampton: Sanderson's in Hampton NH. There's an ultra-light fly-in there every July. East-west, maybe 2000 feet, gentle uphill slope to the east, then a steep hill on the east end, then 50-ft trees, power lines, a house, the whole nine yards. When you land to the west, you necessarily miss the hill altogether, and most of the time I miss half the runway after that. No landing on the numbers there! -- all the best, Dan Ford email (put Cubdriver in subject line) Warbird's Forum: www.warbirdforum.com Piper Cub Forum: www.pipercubforum.com the blog: www.danford.net In Search of Lost Time: www.readingproust.com |
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Though I'm sure it isn't as narrow as some of you have done; my narrowest
(so far) was 30 feet wide.... wing tips of 172 hang over the edges of the runway. Harris Ranch 3O8 in Coalinga. -- -- =----- Good Flights! Cecil PP-ASEL-IA Student - CP-ASEL Check out my personal flying adventures from my first flight to the checkride AND the continuing adventures beyond! Complete with pictures and text at: www.bayareapilot.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." - Antoine de Saint-Exupery - "We who fly, do so for the love of flying. We are alive in the air with this miracle that lies in our hands and beneath our feet" - Cecil Day Lewis - "Kyle Boatright" wrote in message ... What's the narrowest runway you've ever used? At what runway width are you comfortable? Among other things, I had an interesting experience yesterday with a runway that was far narrower than any I'd used before... We had gone to Dallas for Mother's day, and returned to Atlanta yesterday in my RV-6, which is set-up for basic VFR. The weather was marginal for most of the way, and we made two unscheduled stops and a couple of 180 degree course reversals to avoid weather that was below my minimums. This turned a 3.5 hour trip into an 8 hour odyssey. Our first 180 turn and unscheduled stop occurred when the ceiling was lower than forecast, below my personal minimums, and dropping along our route of flight. I hit the "nearest" function on the GPS, and retreated to the nearest airfield to give the FSS a call on the cell phone (we were too low for radio communication). As we overflew the airfield, I noticed that all it was was a paved strip and a paved ramp. No buildings nearby. Also, the strip looked fairly narrow, but I went ahead with the landing anyway. On very short final, it became obvious that this strip redefined narrow. Accoring to the AFD, it is 50' wide, but what the AFD didn't say is that 3' tall sagebrush grows right to the edge of the strip, and occasionally cuts into the 50' useful width. Given that 3' sagebrush will hit the RV-6's wingtips, I probably had 10'-12' clear on each side. Catching the sagebrush with a wingtip would have almost certainly caused a groundloop. With this in mind, and concentrating hard enough to cause permanant forehead wrinkles, I managed to keep the airplane centered on landing and rollout, then taxiied (sp?) to the ramp, where I shut down, pulled out the cell phone and got exactly zero signal... (Sometimes you can't win.) So, we fired up again, taxiied out, and I kept the bird out of the weeds on takeoff and off we went. In the 30 minutes our detour consumed, the weather along the route improved meaningfully, and we made another 225 miles before the next unplanned stop. After a 3 hour wait and a couple of visits with the on-field FSS at Greenville, MS, we found a safe path around the line of storms on the Alabama/Mississippi border and came on home. One of the real advantages to a relatively high performance airplane is that if the weather allows, you can get above most of the cumulus and eyeball your way around the convective stuff. I'm not sure we would have gotten around yesterday's weather in a C-172 or Cherokee... |
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15 feet. I was bringing a J-3 home to its new owner and the guy asked
me to bring it to his airfield. It was paved (but cracking) but the grass around it had grown up onto the runway. Putting a J-3 on a 15 foot wide runway it interesting because you can't see ahead of you (you fly from the back) I lost sight of the runway just as the wheels touched. I had to take it on faith that I was still on the runway. Once I was at taxi speed I could taxi by looking straight down and watching the wheel. Geez, the hairs on the back of my neck stood up reading that one! -- -- =----- Good Flights! Cecil PP-ASEL-IA Student - CP-ASEL Check out my personal flying adventures from my first flight to the checkride AND the continuing adventures beyond! Complete with pictures and text at: www.bayareapilot.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." - Antoine de Saint-Exupery - "We who fly, do so for the love of flying. We are alive in the air with this miracle that lies in our hands and beneath our feet" - Cecil Day Lewis - "Robert M. Gary" wrote in message oups.com... -Robert |
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" What's the narrowest runway you've ever used? At what runway width are you comfortable? I'm based at Spanaway WA S-44 20 feet wide. When I go X-country EVERYTHING seem wide. Grin Paul NC2273H |
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In article ,
"Kyle Boatright" wrote: What's the narrowest runway you've ever used? At what runway width are you comfortable? Among other things, I had an interesting experience yesterday with a runway that was far narrower than any I'd used before... This one: http://home.gci.net/~sncdfalk/flypics/ghshortfinal.jpg Same width as Cessna main gear. -- Dale L. Falk There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing as simply messing around with airplanes. http://home.gci.net/~sncdfalk/flying.html |
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On Tue, 17 May 2005 00:58:48 +0000 (UTC), (Don
Poitras) wrote: "Guys with guns on the runway." When I landed at Bankok some years ago (passenger, not pilot!), I was bemused to see golfers on the grass beside the runway. In Limerick, it was sheep. -- all the best, Dan Ford email (put Cubdriver in subject line) Warbird's Forum: www.warbirdforum.com Piper Cub Forum: www.pipercubforum.com the blog: www.danford.net In Search of Lost Time: www.readingproust.com |
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