Chicken Cannon Lovers

"John Lansford" wrote in message
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Ogden Johnson III wrote:

Given the number of times the infamous "chicken cannon" has come
up in these fora, your attention is directed to this [Sunday]
evening's episode of "Mythbusters" on the Discovery cable channel
[8:00 PM ET, repeated at 11:00 PM ET for the left coast] in which
the intrepid Mythbusters team takes on the chicken cannon.

I worked for a time at Arnold Air Force Station, Tennessee, where the
USAF tests airframes, rockets and missiles in both scale and full size
test cells. One of the tests involved firing chickens into windshields
of aircraft at simulated flight speeds.

The chicken gun exists. I've seen it in operation in fact.

I live a few blocks from Boeing's chicken gun. No idea if they're using
fresh or frozen.
--
Zamboni

"Zamboni" wrote in message
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"John Lansford" wrote in message
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Ogden Johnson III wrote:

Given the number of times the infamous "chicken cannon" has come
up in these fora, your attention is directed to this [Sunday]
evening's episode of "Mythbusters" on the Discovery cable channel
[8:00 PM ET, repeated at 11:00 PM ET for the left coast] in which
the intrepid Mythbusters team takes on the chicken cannon.

I worked for a time at Arnold Air Force Station, Tennessee, where the
USAF tests airframes, rockets and missiles in both scale and full size
test cells. One of the tests involved firing chickens into windshields
of aircraft at simulated flight speeds.

The chicken gun exists. I've seen it in operation in fact.

I live a few blocks from Boeing's chicken gun. No idea if they're using
fresh or frozen.

I live in Everett Wa near a fair size Boeing plant.
Wonder if we have a gun locally?


Jim E

"Jim E" wrote in message
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The chicken gun exists. I've seen it in operation in fact.

I live a few blocks from Boeing's chicken gun. No idea if they're using
fresh or frozen.

I live in Everett Wa near a fair size Boeing plant.
Wonder if we have a gun locally?

It's up in Marysville, behind the new Tulalip casino (unless the casino
pushed it out). There's a Boeing test complex hidden behind the trees there.
--
Zamboni

They're results were that a frozen chicken did no more damage than a
room temperature chicken. They assumed a lot about impact damage with
faulty data and testing.


--
Jim

carry on




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Jim Herring wrote:

They're results were that a frozen chicken did no more damage than a
room temperature chicken. They assumed a lot about impact damage with
faulty data and testing.

They should let me hit them with a frozen chicken and a thawed one and
tell me which one hurt more. As someone else pointed out, the frozen
one is going to act like a solid mass, while the thawed one is going
to "explode" and deform when hitting the windshield.

Besides, the birds aren't frozen when they hit the real planes...

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"John Lansford" wrote in message

They're results were that a frozen chicken did no more damage than a
room temperature chicken. They assumed a lot about impact damage with
faulty data and testing.

They should let me hit them with a frozen chicken and a thawed one and
tell me which one hurt more. As someone else pointed out, the frozen
one is going to act like a solid mass, while the thawed one is going
to "explode" and deform when hitting the windshield.

I watched the show. The target was a old Piper Cherokee class airframe.
The frozen chicken behaved rather like a rifle bullet, making a smallish
hole in the windscreen. The thawed chicken was more like a shotgun blast
making a significantly larger hole. The hosts speculated the defomation of
the thawed chicken made the difference against this very light weight
material (never certified to survive an impact with anything g).

I suspect that military grade windscreens (or those on commercial jet
liners) would be made of "sterner stuff" and would behave quit differently.

Besides, the birds aren't frozen when they hit the real planes...

Indeed!!!!!!!!!!!! GGG

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John Lansford wrote in message . ..
Jim Herring wrote:

They're results were that a frozen chicken did no more damage than a
room temperature chicken. They assumed a lot about impact damage with
faulty data and testing.

They should let me hit them with a frozen chicken and a thawed one and
tell me which one hurt more.

If you hit them at about 100 m/s I doubt they will be around to tell
you which
one hurt more. Dive into your swimming pool from the edge and then try
hitting it at 400 mph and see if you feel a difference. Tis the
velocity not the softness of the substance that hurts!

As someone else pointed out, the frozen
one is going to act like a solid mass, while the thawed one is going
to "explode" and deform when hitting the windshield.

At the speed of a modern fighter I doubt either case is going to leave
one unscarred. I read somewhere that even if the plexiglass holds out
the "wave" travelling through the canopy caused by the strike could
seriously injure/incapacitate a pilot.

On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 15:53:56 -0500, Ogden Johnson III
wrote:

Given the number of times the infamous "chicken cannon" has come
up in these fora, your attention is directed to this [Sunday]
evening's episode of "Mythbusters" on the Discovery cable channel
[8:00 PM ET, repeated at 11:00 PM ET for the left coast] in which
the intrepid Mythbusters team takes on the chicken cannon.

For a link between this topic & matters naval, consider the use of
down-sized versions of "chicken cannon" technology on model warships:

http://www.rcwarships.com

JM

Here's some bird and ice impacts for you.
One of my cadet classmates flying a Piper PA18 in primary at Hondo
Texas hit a hawk - it came right through the windshield, alive and
clawing. He wrung its neck and threw it into the rear. He still has a
scar on his cheek.
When I was at Homestead AFB 76-80 we had three buzzard strikes at Avon
Park Range. Two hit the airframe and one hit the left quarter panel of
the windshield. All strikes were when the F4s were doing 500K on low
level weapons deliveries. The airframe strikes penetrated the fuselage
skin around the intakes but no serious damage (other than a hole) was
done. The windshield strike filled the cockpit with buzzard pieces and
guts and disabled the front seater as most of the buzzard hit his
shoulder. The rear seater was a pilot and landed the F4 at Avon park
making an arrested engagement so the front seater could get immediate
medical attention. He was dazed and his shoulder was severely bruised
and he was half-nauseated from the buzzard guts but he recoverd
quickly. A maintenance crew came up and repaired the F4 and another
crew flew it back home.
I was with Air Florida when one of our DC9s lunched an engine. 'Blue
ice' from a leaking forward lavatory drain finally broke loose and the
airflow carried it up over the wing and right into the engine intake.
JT8Ds don't like large lumps of ice, regardless of color. BTW had
anyone else noted the tabloids don;t carry stories about 'blue ice'
from alien space any more?
Walt BJ

WaltBJ wrote:

Here's some bird and ice impacts for you.
One of my cadet classmates flying a Piper PA18 in primary at Hondo
Texas hit a hawk - it came right through the windshield, alive and
clawing. He wrung its neck and threw it into the rear. He still has a
scar on his cheek.
When I was at Homestead AFB 76-80 we had three buzzard strikes at Avon
Park Range. Two hit the airframe and one hit the left quarter panel of
the windshield. All strikes were when the F4s were doing 500K on low
level weapons deliveries. The airframe strikes penetrated the fuselage
skin around the intakes but no serious damage (other than a hole) was
done. The windshield strike filled the cockpit with buzzard pieces and
guts and disabled the front seater as most of the buzzard hit his
shoulder. The rear seater was a pilot and landed the F4 at Avon park
making an arrested engagement so the front seater could get immediate
medical attention. He was dazed and his shoulder was severely bruised
and he was half-nauseated from the buzzard guts but he recoverd
quickly. A maintenance crew came up and repaired the F4 and another
crew flew it back home.
I was with Air Florida when one of our DC9s lunched an engine. 'Blue
ice' from a leaking forward lavatory drain finally broke loose and the
airflow carried it up over the wing and right into the engine intake.
JT8Ds don't like large lumps of ice, regardless of color. BTW had
anyone else noted the tabloids don;t carry stories about 'blue ice'
from alien space any more?

Hawks are great flyers but not too bright (where have we heard that
description before?). We had a Swainson's hawk fly in front of our
troop position just as we opened in Fire for Effect. The unit medical
WO, our local hunter and wildlife nut, had it stuffed and mounted, and
it was on the wall of the Medical Inspection Room until he retired.
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