Female pilot accident rates

Very well done - congratulations.
You even managed to blindside four regulars!
Looking forward to your next troll.

Do you take requests?
could you make it a Bush/Kerry thing?

Lots of us would enjoy that.

Thanks

Tony


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(NoPoliticsHere) wrote:

I haven't seen any stats on this, but it seems to me that, just
maybe, there could be a much higher rate of crashes when there
are ladies in the cockpit. Maybe this is not the case, and I'm sure
the more PC gents here will be quick to jump on me for even suggesting
it, but during the past, I have noticed more than a few female names
mentioned in news reports about aircraft crashes (with them being one
of the pilots, or the only pilot). Just how many female professional
pilots are there? Aren't they involved in a disproportionately large
number of accidents? Drawing from memory, here are a few:

The accident yesterday that killed 10 with the NASCAR racing team
had a pilot named Liz (haven't met too many guys named Liz).
(Probably pilot error--reasonable guess--because the plane slammed
into Bull Mt. in foggy conditions.)

The commuter crash last week (Indiana?) had a pilot named Kim.

The commuter crash last year (plan overloaded) in Charlotte had
a female captain.

ValuJet crash in Everglades (in '96 I think) had a female captain.
(of course, this one could have gone down regardless of pilot skill,
but airliners *have* landed while blazing with flames (Ex: Air Canada
in Cincinatti I think).

The 1991 Colorado Springs 737 crash had a female in the cockpit.

A small cargo plane that landed here in town on a freeway (not on the
median, but ONTO rush hour traffic, making a firball out of a van,
killing the driver--female pilot survived) a few years ago had a lone
female pilot.

A fatal crash involving a Navy fighter (probably F-14) off a
carrier some time back had a female pilot (just how many female
F-14 pilots are there?)

See what I mean?

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Something I was told years ago...
When there is one man and one woman in a light GA aircraft crash, they
usually are not married to each other.

Peter Stickney wrote:

The sex of the pilot makes no difference.

Only to those who think it does, and unfortunately, there are still plenty of
those people around.

Ever notice, in some news reports of incidents or accidents, that when it's a
male pilot, they talk about him simply as "the pilot"; when it's a woman, they
are compelled to say, "the female pilot", as if that changes the story? One
sentiment in this thread sort of explains why this topic even exists -- a
sentence that began with: "We've *allowed* them [women] to ..." drive cars,
vote, etc., etc., etc. Perhaps tongue-in-cheek, but nevertheness, it is still
very much a prevailing attitude, even in today's supposedly enlightened times.

Example: Man tells woman, "Listen to what your airplane is telling you." Woman
later says, "I'm not flying this airplane, it is SHOUTING maintenance issues
loud and clear." Man replies: "Nice that you're so connected with the airplane
that you hear it talking, but it's JUST a machine!" Second example: Woman flies
an airplane and squawks unresponsive nosewheel steering. She is told it is
"within normal range." Man flies same airplane next, comes back and squawks
unresponsive nosewheel steering. The plane is then grounded and the nosewheel
steering is replaced. Third example: Woman flies airplane and describes
excessively uneven fuel burn between left and right fuel tanks--response from
male airplane owner: "Just fly with the other wing lower."

There are still many in aviation who don't take women seriously, and when an
incident or accident occurs involving a woman, are quick to draw unfounded
conclusions that sex of the pilot was a factor. Too bad, with as far as other
things have evolved, *some* men's attitudes about women are still in the Dark
Ages.

On 26 Oct 2004 20:16:40 GMT, (OutofRudder) wrote:

Ever notice, in some news reports of incidents or accidents, that when it's a
male pilot, they talk about him simply as "the pilot"; when it's a woman, they
are compelled to say, "the female pilot",

Well, to be fair, that's surely because the woman pilot is still a
rarity. All rarities get mentioned in newspaper stories until it
becomes too politcially incorrect to do so. When I was a young
journalist, it was standard practice to mention the race of a criminal
if he were black. Now of course that is not done.

Indeed, I worked on a newspaper in the process of change. We were
forbidden to mention the race of a defendant in a court martial, so we
vied with each other to come up with the most original physical
description, to see what we could get past the editor.


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NoPoliticsHere schreef in berichtnieuws ...
I haven't seen any stats on this, but it seems to me that, just
maybe, there could be a much higher rate of crashes when there
are ladies in the cockpit.

Yah right! We're all alone then, coz the male part of the cockpit crew get high testosteron level...




See what I mean?

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Nope. I invite you to fly with me once, I'll let you press the eaten food right in your pants, your face will become colors you'd
never know it was possible, and the drink you had before will leak between your knees...

Oh yah, and we land safely.
And after that, you get time to recover and clean up your mess...

Deal?

(NoPoliticsHere) wrote in message . com...
I haven't seen any stats on this, but it seems to me that, just
maybe, there could be a much higher rate of crashes when there
are ladies in the cockpit.

Big Snip

I might as well add my anecdote to this thread. When I retired the
only female aircrew member I ever saw was a KC-135 copilot. She
didn't look like much in her flight suit, but when I saw her in a
bikini on the beach at Guam I perked up. I had a friend who worked as
a simulator instructor after his retirement from the Air Force. He
pulled all kinds of strings to avoid having a female student. He was
a confirmed male chauvinist. Finally he was forced to take a husband
and wife as students, both graduates of the same college. He says
that the wife was the best student he ever had in his several years of
experience. The husband was average.

Gene Myers
Old BUFF pilot

"NoPoliticsHere" wrote in message

I haven't seen any stats on this, but it seems to me that, just
maybe, there could be a much higher rate of crashes when there
are ladies in the cockpit.

Why ever might such a thing "seem" to you?

*shrug* I've got a 40-year-old oriental woman who's barely 5' tall as a
commercial instructor. She gets a lot of crap from the old boys who show
up. "Oh, hi there. I'd like to [rent a plane, buy some charts, take
lessons, charter a flight...] Are you the owner's wife?"

Not only is she a commercial, instrument and multi-instrument flight
instructor, she's working on her second math PhD (already has one in
Calculus), graduated from the Air Force Academy and is currently a Major in
the USAFR.

-c

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:14:03 -0800, "gatt"
wrote:

I haven't seen any stats on this, but it seems to me that, just
maybe, there could be a much higher rate of crashes when there
are ladies in the cockpit.

Why ever might such a thing "seem" to you?

I assume we're talking about GA here. Are there really enough military
and commercial women pilots for the stats to be meaningful?

My own guess is that men run out of gas more often, fly VFR into IMC
more often, and have buzzing accidents more often than women do,
accidents per million miles flown.

And that women by contrast have more stall/spin accidents.

And that overall women GA pilots have fewer accidents than men do.





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My own guess is that men run out of gas more often, fly VFR into IMC
more often, and have buzzing accidents more often than women do,
accidents per million miles flown.

I'd say that's a good guess.

And that women by contrast have more stall/spin accidents.

But what leads you to that premise?

vince norris

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:40:17 -0500, vincent p. norris
wrote:

And that women by contrast have more stall/spin accidents.

But what leads you to that premise?

I extrapolate from my wife. While I get into trouble by being too
aggressive, she gets into trouble by being too timid.

Or as the mother said to her son the L-4 pilot in the Philippines: "Be
careful out there, dear. Fly low and slow."


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