Head orientation in turns--how is it taught for aviation?

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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I can just see him on his ducati trying to find control+alt+delete as he
comes flying over the handlebars over the hood of some SUV


I bet his dad wishes he had pushed control+alt+delete.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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That there is no lateral force with respect to a line perpendicular
to the wings of the aircraft.

There is a lateral force with respect to a line perpendicular to the
horizon,
however, and so if one keeps his head perpendicular to the horizon in a
turn,
he will perceive the turn as a lateral movement (which it is).

You're clueless.

No wonder you never understood flying back through your own wake on a 360.

"Maxwell" wrote in news:Ss2bi.176532$mJ1.33792
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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I can just see him on his ducati trying to find control+alt+delete as
he
comes flying over the handlebars over the hood of some SUV


I bet his dad wishes he had pushed control+alt+delete.


Pervert!


Bertie

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There was a thread a while ago about how not only could one stay with
the force into the seat, but actually maintain 1 G straight into the
seat through a roll. If one is flying coordinated, keeping normal to
the airplane makes sense. Those how fly aerobatics have a different
set of criteria. For what it's worth, watching the in cockpit cameras
of some moderatedly skilled pilots, like the Blue Angels, shows them
"upright" with respect to the airplane except when G forces sling
their heads around, but they do fly coordinated most of the time.

But what do they know?


That is either untrue, or real misleading. The Blues fly with a different
purpose, keep the aircraft on trajectory. When they are flying a knife edge,
they are hardly coordinated, as with many other maneuvers.

A 1g barrel roll can be done, but the required trajectory of the aircraft is
not going to be one that is necessarily eye pleasing for ground
demonstration purposes.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Except it doesn't ...

Why not?

They have bigger tires and carry less fuel.

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Mxsmanic wrote in
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Mxsmanic is a troll writes:

It's truely sad leeching from usenet pilots is your ONLY source
in aviation information ...

I agree.


Snort, you don't even know what keeps an airplane up, do you?



I think he assumes Skyagra.

"Maxwell" wrote in
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wrote in message
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There was a thread a while ago about how not only could one stay with
the force into the seat, but actually maintain 1 G straight into the
seat through a roll. If one is flying coordinated, keeping normal to
the airplane makes sense. Those how fly aerobatics have a different
set of criteria. For what it's worth, watching the in cockpit cameras
of some moderatedly skilled pilots, like the Blue Angels, shows them
"upright" with respect to the airplane except when G forces sling
their heads around, but they do fly coordinated most of the time.

But what do they know?


That is either untrue, or real misleading. The Blues fly with a
different purpose, keep the aircraft on trajectory. When they are
flying a knife edge, they are hardly coordinated, as with many other
maneuvers.

A 1g barrel roll can be done, but the required trajectory of the
aircraft is not going to be one that is necessarily eye pleasing for
ground demonstration purposes.

Nope. the only thing you can do at 1 G is straight and level flight.

You can keep positive G around a barrel roll, but not 1 G


Bertie

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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Mxsmanic wrote in
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Mxsmanic is a troll writes:

It's truely sad leeching from usenet pilots is your ONLY source
in aviation information ...

I agree.


Snort, you don't even know what keeps an airplane up, do you?



I think he assumes Skyagra.

Very Good.

I think he probably tried Viagra, but found it only made him taller.


Bertie

On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 19:26:05 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Bob Moore writes:

Mxsmanic wrote
When you make a coordinated turn in an aircraft, are you taught to let
your head tilt with the bank angle of the aircraft, or are you taught
to keep your head normal to the horizon?

Head and body should remain perpendicular to the floor of the
cockpit. This comes naturally if the turn is coordinated.

Interesting. When you learn to ride a motorcycle, you're taught to keep your
head normal to the horizon in turns ... because turning your head with the
bike as you lean into a turn results in disorientation.

Perhaps pilots would be less prone to disorientation if they kept their heads
normal to the horizon, even in turns (for instrument flight, this would mean
keeping one's head level with the horizon of the attitude indicator).

I note from in-cockpit videos of aerobatic pilots that they keep their heads
level with the horizon, not level with the aircraft.

Watch again and pay attention.
Here is a good example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NrJCkmDnr4

You'll see that in coordinated turns they keeep their heads with the
aircraft, not with the horizon. The hungaran pilot bends his neck a
lot, but not in coordinated turns.

- Tom

On Jun 11, 5:26 am, Mxsmanic wrote:
Vaughn Simon writes:
I usually avoid these threads but there is a safety issue here. I teach my
students to LOOK WHERE THEY ARE GOING.

But you can look where you're going in both cases: with your head level with
the horizon, and with your head level with the aircraft.


Sometimes I do keep my head level with the horizon in a turn to assess
bank angle peripherally while I clear ahead of the plane (this would
normally be when I am in a medium turn and are clearing in front of
the A pillar in a C172). I'm not sure if this is right or wrong, I
just do it.