Bible-beater pilots

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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When I find myself in a situation such as yours Jay, I cannot help but
to
"debate" if you like, the existance of God

If I'm sitting around a camp fire, I'm the same way. I'll debate religion
until I run out of breath.

I'm afraid that debating the existence of God would be quite a waste of
breath for it isn't possible to prove or disprove. And doing so would be
fruitless because religion deals with beliefs and you'll never convince a
truly religious person that their beliefs are unfounded. Your only success
will be in ****ing them off. Now, if they are trying to convert/convince you
then they deserve what they get.

My Dad's advice for me has always been (he's an agnostic) "If you want to
remain friends with someone, never discuss religion or politics." His advice
has worked well for me for 38 years now.

I would say that debating God's existence around a campfire would be quite a
waste of a good campfire.

-Trent
PP-ASEL

Tell them you believe that God created the big boom, that usually get's them
thinking.
--
Jim Burns III

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"Trent Moorehead" wrote in message
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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When I find myself in a situation such as yours Jay, I cannot help but
to
"debate" if you like, the existance of God

If I'm sitting around a camp fire, I'm the same way. I'll debate
religion
until I run out of breath.

I'm afraid that debating the existence of God would be quite a waste of
breath for it isn't possible to prove or disprove. And doing so would be
fruitless because religion deals with beliefs and you'll never convince a
truly religious person that their beliefs are unfounded. Your only success
will be in ****ing them off. Now, if they are trying to convert/convince
you
then they deserve what they get.

My Dad's advice for me has always been (he's an agnostic) "If you want to
remain friends with someone, never discuss religion or politics." His
advice
has worked well for me for 38 years now.

I would say that debating God's existence around a campfire would be quite
a
waste of a good campfire.

-Trent
PP-ASEL

My Dad's advice for me has always been (he's an agnostic) "If you want to
remain friends with someone, never discuss religion or politics."

And of course don't forget the "Great Pumpkin!" ;-)

In article MEpvb.267465$Fm2.280789@attbi_s04, Jay Honeck wrote:

I think it was the utter "out of left field" nature of these guys that
caught us both off guard. We were feeling really good about ourselves, and
the day, and the flight, and all the sudden *wham!* -- we found ourselves
knee-deep in a religious debate neither of us expected.

I have a description of this effect. You're talking to someone and holding a
seemingly-meaningful conversation, and suddenly they start quacking like
a duck. They clearly still *think* you're having a conversation, but you're
not.... This seems to manifest itself mostly in the realm of religion, but
sometimes you see the effect with conspiracy theory people too.

Mike Beede

Anyone ever run into this before? What did you do?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"


After you get converted to *that* religion, then they can start
recruiting for the Gay Pilots Association. Talk about a ruined lunch!
I thank my aching back and years of hard work every time *I* fly.

Blue Skies
Art @HTH
N5217D

Hi Jay,
Like you, I was raised Hyper-Catholic in Iowa. I'm honored to
stay that I am a Christian and still Catholic. My bride is Protestant
and also devoutly Christian. I must honestly say that I still
struggle on a daily basis as much as any person who doesn't claim
strong religious convictions. I'm flawed because I'm human. I
personally feel uncomforable with being so overt that I appear to be
pushing my own beliefs and practices on others. Everyone is different
and their methods of evangalism reflect their own personalities. I'd
just like to try and explain your lunch companions' actions as I
understand them.
They feel a strong conviction to share the Lord's message with
folks who don't believe. They are going to a casino rather than a
church just as Jesus hung out with tax collectors and other 'sinners'
that the organized religious leaders viewed as not worthy. I imagine
that your lunch companions felt the same way about talking to you
about Christ as they would about warning you to prevent you from
accidentally stepping into traffic. You may not see it that way, and
most of the other poster's either.
I don't intend to pass judgement on others, as I fail on a pretty
regular basis. However, I also don't think I should avoid telling
others that I am a Christian for fear that they might be offended.
Don't be surprized if someday your own children are plying you with
the same style evangalism you experienced in the casino. God works in
ways we don't often understand.

Brian Cox
Pilot, and (I guess) Bible Beater

Brian Cox
Pilot, and (I guess) Bible Beater

Bible Beaters are fine.

It's the Floor Floppers who are a pain. But, whatever floats their Ark.

--
Montblack

They feel a strong conviction to share the Lord's message with
folks who don't believe. They are going to a casino rather than a
church just as Jesus hung out with tax collectors and other 'sinners'

The funny thing is, neither Mary nor I gamble. We ONLY go to the casino
because:

a) They pick us up for free
b) The buffet is great! (And cheap!)

Once I told the Real Estate guy that fact, he seemed quite gratified. It
did not, however, sate his desire to preach.

Personally, I feel that we work too damned hard for our money to donate it
to organized criminals.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On 2003-11-21 12:45:01 -0800, "Jay Honeck" said

Personally, I feel that we work too damned hard for our money to donate i
to organized criminals

Oh, give it a rest already, Jay. Just because a few big names have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar, you think that every church in the world is an organization of criminals? Gimme a break

And you know, if this is the worst thing that's ever happened to you (and you seem to act as if it was), then your life could be a whole lot worse

In article , Larry Fransson
wrote:

On 2003-11-21 12:45:01 -0800, "Jay Honeck" said:
Personally, I feel that we work too damned hard for our money to donate it
to organized criminals.

Oh, give it a rest already, Jay. Just because a few
big names have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar, you think that
every church in the world is an organization of criminals? Gimme a break.And
you know, if this is the worst thing that's ever happened to you (and you
seem to act as if it was), then your life could be a whole lot worse.

Who said he was referring to a religion?
He's talking about the government.