Sims

Lots of posters here have fun bashing MX, but I have to say that one of the
more enjoyable experiences I've had lately was sitting in the family room,
in front of the PC. I am working on my instrument ticket. Ove the years I
have collected the CH yoke and footpedals. I have downloaded a flight model
and graphics for my Sundowner. I was looking out the window at the snow
falling, and I set the sim to real world weather. Damn if the screen didn't
look exactly like the weather outside, and I was once again looking at my
panel. The ATC simulation wasn't bad either, and off I went down the
"runway." I got vectored around pretty much the same as when I fly under
the hood. I thought that was absolutely fantastic, and all for about a
nickel's worth of electricity. No instructor or safety pilot needed.

"LWG" wrote in message
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Lots of posters here have fun bashing MX, but I have to say that one of
the more enjoyable experiences I've had lately was sitting in the family
room, in front of the PC. I am working on my instrument ticket. Ove the
years I have collected the CH yoke and footpedals. I have downloaded a
flight model and graphics for my Sundowner. I was looking out the window
at the snow falling, and I set the sim to real world weather. Damn if the
screen didn't look exactly like the weather outside, and I was once again
looking at my panel. The ATC simulation wasn't bad either, and off I went
down the "runway." I got vectored around pretty much the same as when I
fly under the hood. I thought that was absolutely fantastic, and all for
about a nickel's worth of electricity. No instructor or safety pilot
needed.

Yep, but it wasn't flying, which is the whole point, right?

Kyle Boatright writes:

Yep, but it wasn't flying, which is the whole point, right?

For some people, the differences between flying a real airplane and flying a
simulated airplane simply are not that important, which is why they enjoy
simming. Even for people who prefer flying a real airplane, simulation is
close enough to the real thing and so incredibly inexpensive that it doesn't
make sense to refuse to try it.

In just online sim flying alone I have around 900 hours of time in the air,
for less cost than a single hour in a tiny tin can airplane would cost in real
life (and disregarding the huge cost of just getting a license for a
real-world aircraft).

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Kyle Boatright writes:

Yep, but it wasn't flying, which is the whole point, right?

For some people, the differences between flying a real airplane and
flying a simulated airplane simply are not that important,


You don;t fly a sim, fjukkwit.


Bertie

On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 02:00:22 +0100, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Kyle Boatright writes:

Yep, but it wasn't flying, which is the whole point, right?

For some people, the differences between flying a real airplane and flying a
simulated airplane simply are not that important, which is why they enjoy
simming. Even for people who prefer flying a real airplane, simulation is
close enough to the real thing and so incredibly inexpensive that it doesn't
make sense to refuse to try it.

At the risk of jumping into the middle of a flame war, I'd like to
offer a few opinions. I fly real airplanes and play with simulators
now and then. Trust me, sims are not close to the real thing. 100%
of "flying" takes place after you leave the ground. All the
sensations of flight are what you feel, hear and see while moving your
airplane around in the sky. It isn't all going from A to B and
watching the scenery unfold on a monitor screen 20 inches in front of
your face. Even full motion multi-million dollar sims are not the
same as "flying". When you fly, if you love to fly, the expense is
secondary and only enters your mind at times when you are not flying
or not thinking about flying.


In just online sim flying alone I have around 900 hours of time in the air,
for less cost than a single hour in a tiny tin can airplane would cost in real
life (and disregarding the huge cost of just getting a license for a
real-world aircraft).

I'll give you the point that simulators can be fun, but they pale in
comparison to flying.

Ron Kelley

Ron writes:

At the risk of jumping into the middle of a flame war, I'd like to
offer a few opinions. I fly real airplanes and play with simulators
now and then. Trust me, sims are not close to the real thing. 100%
of "flying" takes place after you leave the ground. All the
sensations of flight are what you feel, hear and see while moving your
airplane around in the sky. It isn't all going from A to B and
watching the scenery unfold on a monitor screen 20 inches in front of
your face. Even full motion multi-million dollar sims are not the
same as "flying". When you fly, if you love to fly, the expense is
secondary and only enters your mind at times when you are not flying
or not thinking about flying.

So do you fly a 747 or a F-18?

I'll give you the point that simulators can be fun, but they pale in
comparison to flying.

That is purely a matter of opinion.

Your completely correct, it's a matter of opinion. But you have no grounds
to make a judgment since you will not do both where as several of these
posters have done both and refute your expresses opinion as being wrong.
Get over it, you just don't know what your talking about.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Ron writes:

At the risk of jumping into the middle of a flame war, I'd like to
offer a few opinions. I fly real airplanes and play with simulators
now and then. Trust me, sims are not close to the real thing. 100%
of "flying" takes place after you leave the ground. All the
sensations of flight are what you feel, hear and see while moving your
airplane around in the sky. It isn't all going from A to B and
watching the scenery unfold on a monitor screen 20 inches in front of
your face. Even full motion multi-million dollar sims are not the
same as "flying". When you fly, if you love to fly, the expense is
secondary and only enters your mind at times when you are not flying
or not thinking about flying.

So do you fly a 747 or a F-18?

I'll give you the point that simulators can be fun, but they pale in
comparison to flying.

That is purely a matter of opinion.

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Ron writes:

At the risk of jumping into the middle of a flame war, I'd like to
offer a few opinions. I fly real airplanes and play with simulators
now and then. Trust me, sims are not close to the real thing. 100%
of "flying" takes place after you leave the ground. All the
sensations of flight are what you feel, hear and see while moving your
airplane around in the sky. It isn't all going from A to B and
watching the scenery unfold on a monitor screen 20 inches in front of
your face. Even full motion multi-million dollar sims are not the
same as "flying". When you fly, if you love to fly, the expense is
secondary and only enters your mind at times when you are not flying
or not thinking about flying.

So do you fly a 747 or a F-18?


What's it matter? You couldn't fly a chuck glider.


I'll give you the point that simulators can be fun, but they pale in
comparison to flying.

That is purely a matter of opinion.



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Bertie

On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 06:53:25 +0100, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Ron writes:

At the risk of jumping into the middle of a flame war, I'd like to
offer a few opinions. I fly real airplanes and play with simulators
now and then. Trust me, sims are not close to the real thing. 100%
of "flying" takes place after you leave the ground. All the
sensations of flight are what you feel, hear and see while moving your
airplane around in the sky. It isn't all going from A to B and
watching the scenery unfold on a monitor screen 20 inches in front of
your face. Even full motion multi-million dollar sims are not the
same as "flying". When you fly, if you love to fly, the expense is
secondary and only enters your mind at times when you are not flying
or not thinking about flying.

So do you fly a 747 or a F-18?

It doesn't matter. Flying is aviating in the air no matter what your
aircraft is.


I'll give you the point that simulators can be fun, but they pale in
comparison to flying.

That is purely a matter of opinion.


Tha's why I said in the beginning of my post "I'd like to offer a few
opinions."

Ron Kelley

"Kyle Boatright" wrote in message
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"LWG" wrote in message
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I got vectored around pretty much the same as when I
fly under the hood. I thought that was absolutely fantastic, and all for
about a nickel's worth of electricity. No instructor or safety pilot
needed.

Yep, but it wasn't flying, which is the whole point, right?

It can make the actual flying/instructing time a bit more productive.

I'm taking LWG's position on this because, just like a "real" simulator,
it's useful to be able to simply back up and do an approach again, or try an
approach with an instrument failure or things you wouldn't want to spend
$100/hr practicing. It's not going to replace actual flight time, but I
found it helpful in practicing the ability to cross-reference instruments in
"IMC" (sort of like the instrument examples in the Instrument written exam.)

Useful for learning the instrument panel and practicing navigation without
outside reference. Definately a secondary or tertiary source; it could
replace neither practical experience or instruction but you can learn to use
an ADF, VORs or the Garmin GPS with it.

Augering is a little easier on the system, too.

-c