American Lake SPB Closing

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
...
There is nothing I could say that you would not claim is a lie. We are
done.

In other words, you have no documentation for your claim. Well, why didn't
you just say so in the first place?

In any case, twice you have conveniently ignored the primary point of the
thread. I presume that means you have no real information regarding that as
well.

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
...
"C J Campbell" wrote in message
...
There is nothing I could say that you would not claim is a lie. We are
done.

In other words, you have no documentation for your claim. Well, why
didn't
you just say so in the first place?

In any case, twice you have conveniently ignored the primary point of the
thread. I presume that means you have no real information regarding that
as
well.

I will keep that in mind when the base you fly out of is threatened. Don't
bother to ask for help around here. Apparently you think airport closures
are only an issue if they affect you personally. I saw the same attitude in
regard to the Los Angeles tower crash. I guess if you don't fly there you
don't care about it, which seems incredibly selfish and short-sighted.

I did not define the base as "essential," so you are deliberately lying when
you claim (repeatedly, I might add) that I did. I said that WSDOT did not
define the base as essential. You know that, yet you continually insist that
I said something I did not.

I did say that most seaplane pilots think it is essential. I might have
qualified that in two ways. First of all, I am not a seaplane pilot and
never have claimed to be one. Secondly, you are the only seaplane pilot that
I have talked to that seems to think it is a good idea to kill this base, so
I could have said that most of the seaplane pilots that I have talked to
around here think the base is essential.

Frankly, I am getting tired of your lying to make a point, your putting
words in my mouth which I did not say (and I am not the only one you do this
to), and your general antagonistic attitude. You have not got the faintest
idea what you are talking about, and tear down anyone who does. I am
thoroughly sick of your sarcastic, condescending air.

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
...
[...]
Frankly, I am getting tired of your lying to make a point, your putting
words in my mouth which I did not say (and I am not the only one you do
this
to), and your general antagonistic attitude. You have not got the faintest
idea what you are talking about, and tear down anyone who does. I am
thoroughly sick of your sarcastic, condescending air.

I quoted this first, because I found it so amusing. You are the one lying,
and even putting words into my mouth. I made some simple comments with the
goal of getting some elaboration on this supposedly critical issue. You
managed to take it personally, apparently because you were unable to
actually ANSWER the questions asked.

Anyway, if you're so sick and tired of me, why don't you killfile me
already? You obviously aren't cut out for having your statements
questioned, having utterly no factual response for simple, direct questions.

As far as the stuff you falsely attribute to me goes...

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
...
I will keep that in mind when the base you fly out of is threatened. Don't
bother to ask for help around here. Apparently you think airport closures
are only an issue if they affect you personally.

I never said anything remotely like that. However, it is absolutely true
that NOT ALL AIRPORT CLOSURES ARE A PROBLEM. As pilots, we do no service to
our own cause by acting Chicken Little every time someone proposes to close
an airport. Some airports ought to be closed, while some others are ones
that we have no right to expect to remain open.

If you cannot answer a simple question about WHY an airport should not be
closed, you have no business sounding the alarm.

I did not define the base as "essential," so you are deliberately lying
when
you claim (repeatedly, I might add) that I did.

You certainly made the implication that you feel the SPB is essential.
However, again...if you don't feel it's essential, you have no business
asking other pilots to lobby the city government telling them how
"essential" it is.

[...]
I did say that most seaplane pilots think it is essential. I might have
qualified that in two ways. First of all, I am not a seaplane pilot and
never have claimed to be one. Secondly, you are the only seaplane pilot
that
I have talked to that seems to think it is a good idea to kill this base,

Again, words in my mouth. I never said that I think it's a good idea to
kill this SPB. However, I certainly have seen no evidence to suggest that
it's NOT a good idea to kill the SPB. And despite repeated opportunities,
you continue to fail to provide any such evidence.

Even though you're the one sounding the alarm, you have no actual
information as to WHY you are sounding the alarm. You're just doing the
standard "oh my god, another airport gone" crap. If you can't explain why
it's bad an airport (or a seaplane base) is going away, you have no business
complaining that it's going away.

so
I could have said that most of the seaplane pilots that I have talked to
around here think the base is essential.

And what reasons did they give you for saying that the seaplane base is
essential? That would, after all, be the proper response to the VERY simple
questions I've asked.

Pete

OK CJ and Pete, no kicking, gouging, or biting..

I am of the inclination that no airport should close, but the reality
is that some airports are going to close just because of the nature of
our society - Meigs is a case in point - and that we/AOPA have to pick
our fights carefully...

I have had discussion with the county commissioners who 'own' my
airport... When they whined about $68,000 to subsidize the operating
costs over and above the income from rentals and fuel sales last year,
I asked how much they made from the brand new, multimillion dollar,
boat launch and park they had just built the year before (use is free
to the public), and how much income they got from stop signs, snow
plowing, or street lighting (big dollars for electricity 365 nights a
year), and so on... The answer was that the park, the streets, etc.,
were line items in the budget and therefore didn't cost them anything
!?!... Understanding the mind set I was dealing with - which is they
will fund politically popular programs and deny anything that doesn't
bring them relection votes - I suggested that they make the airport an
line item in the budget and then the airport would not cost them
anything from then on... The looks I got would curdle mothers milk...
Denny