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FAA's Proposed ADS-B Requirement May Cost Aircraft Owners $9K. Comment Period Extended
ADS-B COMMENT PERIOD EXTENDED (http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#196664) The transition from radar to ADS-B is expected to take more than 13 years and may cost you, personally, close to $9,000. The FAA is now giving you an extra 60 days to add your thoughts on its Notice of Proposed Rule Making -- the comment deadline is now March 3. Currently, some forecasts expect the transition to cost the average aircraft owner about $9,000 in necessary equipment upgrades should ADS-B compliance become mandatory, as planned by 2020. All aircraft flying within Class B and C airspace and above 10,000 feet would need to carry the equipment. On the whole, the FAA predicts that the industry faces a projected investment of between $1.27 billion and $7.46 billion. http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2007/pdf/E7-22544.pdf You may send comments identified by Docket Number FAA– 2007–29305 using any of the following methods: • Federal eRulemaking Portal: Go to http://www.regulations.gov and follow the instructions for sending your comments electronically. • Mail: Send comments to Docket Operations, M–30, U.S. Department of Transportation, 1200 New Jersey Avenue, SE., West Building Ground Floor, Room W12–140, Washington, DC 20590. • Fax: Fax comments to Docket Operations at 202–493–2251. • Hand Delivery: Bring comments to Docket Operations in Room W12–140 of the West Building Ground Floor at 1200 New Jersey Avenue, SE., Washington, DC, between 9 a.m. and 5 p.m., Monday through Friday, except Federal holidays. Go he http://www.regulations.gov/fdmspubli...uickSearch.jsp and enter '29305' in the Docket ID box. Click the docket link, and you will see all the comments. In the right hand Add Comments column you will see yellow balloons. To add your comment, click the top balloon. It's in the second row titled FAA-2007-29305-0002. If the government's intent was to discourage public comment, they probably could have made the procedure more arcane, but not by much. :-) Docket: FAA-2007-29305-0002 Title ADSB Out Performance Requirements to Support ATC Type Rulemaking Sub Type Airspace Rules Sub Type Level 2 Disposition Pending Action Office ARM - 100 Docket Subject Subject: Automatic Dependence Surveillance - Broadcast (ADS-B) Docket Parties DMS Docket No. RIN Docket Close Date nulldate |
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FAA's Proposed ADS-B Requirement May Cost Aircraft Owners $9K. Comment Period Extended
The process is no more arcane than when we comment on other proposals; it is
not driven by the FAA. Bob Gardner "Larry Dighera" wrote in message ... ADS-B COMMENT PERIOD EXTENDED (http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#196664) The transition from radar to ADS-B is expected to take more than 13 years and may cost you, personally, close to $9,000. The FAA is now giving you an extra 60 days to add your thoughts on its Notice of Proposed Rule Making -- the comment deadline is now March 3. Currently, some forecasts expect the transition to cost the average aircraft owner about $9,000 in necessary equipment upgrades should ADS-B compliance become mandatory, as planned by 2020. All aircraft flying within Class B and C airspace and above 10,000 feet would need to carry the equipment. On the whole, the FAA predicts that the industry faces a projected investment of between $1.27 billion and $7.46 billion. http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2007/pdf/E7-22544.pdf You may send comments identified by Docket Number FAA- 2007-29305 using any of the following methods: . Federal eRulemaking Portal: Go to http://www.regulations.gov and follow the instructions for sending your comments electronically. . Mail: Send comments to Docket Operations, M-30, U.S. Department of Transportation, 1200 New Jersey Avenue, SE., West Building Ground Floor, Room W12-140, Washington, DC 20590. . Fax: Fax comments to Docket Operations at 202-493-2251. . Hand Delivery: Bring comments to Docket Operations in Room W12-140 of the West Building Ground Floor at 1200 New Jersey Avenue, SE., Washington, DC, between 9 a.m. and 5 p.m., Monday through Friday, except Federal holidays. Go he http://www.regulations.gov/fdmspubli...uickSearch.jsp and enter '29305' in the Docket ID box. Click the docket link, and you will see all the comments. In the right hand Add Comments column you will see yellow balloons. To add your comment, click the top balloon. It's in the second row titled FAA-2007-29305-0002. If the government's intent was to discourage public comment, they probably could have made the procedure more arcane, but not by much. :-) Docket: FAA-2007-29305-0002 Title ADSB Out Performance Requirements to Support ATC Type Rulemaking Sub Type Airspace Rules Sub Type Level 2 Disposition Pending Action Office ARM - 100 Docket Subject Subject: Automatic Dependence Surveillance - Broadcast (ADS-B) Docket Parties DMS Docket No. RIN Docket Close Date nulldate |
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FAA's Proposed ADS-B Requirement May Cost Aircraft Owners $9K. Comment Period Extended
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:22:50 -0800, "Bob Gardner"
wrote in : The process is no more arcane than when we comment on other proposals; it is not driven by the FAA. Bob Gardner I was referring to all the hoops one needs to thread on the new http://www.regulations.gov docket comment web site. I knew how to navigate the old one at http://dms.dot.gov/submit . But that site has been deactivated since 12 noon on Friday, September 28, 2007. http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2...07/07-4709.htm [Federal Register: September 24, 2007 (Volume 72, Number 184)] [Notices] [Page 54315-54317] From the Federal Register Online via GPO Access [wais.access.gpo.gov] [DOCID:fr24se07-85] ================================================== ===================== ----------------------------------------------------------------------- DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION Office of the Secretary DOT's Migration to the Federal Docket Management Systems (FDMS) AGENCY: Office of the Secretary (OST), DOT. ACTION: Notice. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- SUMMARY: This notice announces a service disruption to DOT's Docket Management System (DMS), which contains the public dockets for all DOT agencies (except for the Surface Transportation Board), the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), and the United States Coast Guard (USCG). (Subsequent references to ``DOT'' in this document also apply to TSA and USCG.) Effective September 30, 2007, DOT's DMS will be replaced by the Federal Docket Management System (FDMS), a government-wide, electronic docket management system. Please note that in preparation for migration, effective Thursday, September 27, 2007 at 5 p.m. DMS will no longer accept electronic comments/submissions. DMS will accept, as well as process, faxed and other paper documents up until 12 noon on Friday, September 28, 2007. If falling due during this transition, due dates for filings in rulemakings and adjudications will be delayed until October 1, 2007, unless otherwise advised by the originating office. On October 1, 2007 FDMS will begin accepting DOT-related electronic submission. At that time, it will display all open DOT dockets. Between October 1 and October 31, the remaining DOT dockets still will be accessible in DMS. By October 31, the full migration of all dockets currently in DMS is expected to be completed. The change in systems will not change any requirements in DOT regulations. FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: Renee V. Wright, Program Manager, Docket Operations, Office of Information Services, 1200 New Jersey Avenue, SE., Washington, DC 20590; telephone number: (202) 493-0402; fax number (202) 493-2251; e-mail address: . SUPPLEMENTARY INFORMATION: I. Background FDMS is a major component of the President's e-Rulemaking Initiative, which provides easy access to the ... |
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FAA's Proposed ADS-B Requirement May Cost Aircraft Owners $9K. Comment Period Extended
Personally I can't believe the lack of interest in this on this
newsgroup. I have posted about it twice and included a link to my detailed and very awesome response he http://tinyurl.com/2wem8j It may help the airlines (not proven to my satisfaction) and probably will help the FAA cut operating costs. For the huges cost to a GA pilot there is precious litle benefit. The only one of minimal import is aiding in SAR and I don't intend to be a SAR customer. Ron Lee |
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FAA's Proposed ADS-B Requirement May Cost Aircraft Owners $9K. Comment Period Extended
On 2007-12-04, Ron Lee wrote:
Personally I can't believe the lack of interest in this on this newsgroup. I have posted about it twice and included a link to my I've just read your treatise and find it interesting and well done, Ron. One reason for lack of interest may be the fact it hasn't been reviewed in too many aviation magazines as a major component yet. Some of the CFI publications have spoken of it. Although AOPA has written about it, they are very concerned, as should be, with the impending questions in congress regarding user fees, brought up anew by an ill-directed administration. I followed with some interest the CapStone project in Alaska and while at OSH one year had a chance to speak with one of the FAA fellows about it. It definitely has value in increasing safety of flying, whether GA or larger commercial. But, like any set of statistics, they may be made to say just about anything you wish and easy to jump to wrong conclusions. The Alaskan environment is, indeed unique, and the flying even more so. Thus the data doesn't necessarily, as you pointed out, apply elsewhere. Almost a shame they included the 45% reduction in accident rates, which is a completely meaningless figure in their argument. Some of your points are valid. I think we have to realize that, like many proposals, some politician jumps to the conclusion that we can reduce costs by eliminating everything else, hence radar. The same scenerio with GPS. Why, they were going to completely gid rid of VORs and Loran by now ....hmmmm. Of course now they see that eLoran may be the salvation of the GPS system for backups and not too many of the VOR approaches have been eliminated. Even left are NDB approaches, in places. I agree that costs are too high for the average GA plane owner, especially if the 'In' features are desired. I'm wondering if, by the time of implementation of any of this, that prices will have gone down. Of course, with our opportunistic capitalism in the states, it might not have gone down too far. So it's a very good and useful system, but with broad assumptions in the proposal, and unrealistic requirements of GA for such. I, like you, would recommend a reassessment of the requirements. Whether you like their attitudes or not, if AOPA decides to really pounce on this, I would predict the congressmen would get another viewpoint quickly. ....Edwin -- __________________________________________________ __________ "Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to return."-da Vinci http://bellsouthpwp2.net/e/d/edwinljohnson |
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