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Victimizing Aircraft Designers - An American Specialty? (wasFetters)
Poultry in Motion wrote:
Dennis Fetters wrote: This is an open challenge, and request to Mr. Agusto Cicare, so will someone in touch please let him know; Try Glenn Ryerson http://www.3cats.com/helicopter/ He knows both you and Cicare well. Yes, indeed Mr. Ryerson knows him well, he was the first one to publish on his website the letter where Mr. Cicare admitted that the two designs were different. Boob Boob again! "I came back to the USA, and started with what I could do. First we needed money, and I needed to find an investor to help us out. We also wrote the contract for the deal we had agreed to and sent it to him to sign. Now the 1990 Oshkosh was coming up fast, so I paid for the prototype to be sent here so I could fly it in the show. This would help bring an investor to the table and allow us to raise the money to pay the $30,000 for the prototype and all the expenses for the development. After the air show, we put the prototype into a storage building, and Mr. Cicare had the only key. We never had access after that to the prototype." http://groups.google.co.in/group/rec.aviation.rotorcraft/msg/e6653542c044a2ef So what's your point? This is exactly what I said. You just backed up my side of the event? First, I was never alone 5 minutes with the Cicare prototype. Even then, I never seen the inside of anything. Now, if anyone thinks that I can take a tape measure and in moments sneaking around in the dark take down enough information from the Cicare prototype to turn around an built the Mini-500 within one year....... You had lots of time. And you took Cicare's CH-6 away on a trailer after the airshow. He retrieved it later. Yes, but I also took Cicare and his wife away from the airshow with it. His prototype was never left alone in our hands. I paid for the shipping and airline tickets, Cicare and his wife traveled from Argentina with it, and when it arrived Cicare unboxed it and assembled it. We even let him padlock our shop after hours with his own lock, and unlock it every morning. And after the airshow and before he left, he rented a building at a storage facility and put his prototype in it himself, and locked it with his own padlock, and he only had the key. After the deadline he failed to meet, he came back and took the prototype himself and boxed it up and shipped it to Italy. So now, again you are full of holes, or something else.. |
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Victimizing Aircraft Designers - An American Specialty? (wasFetters)
Poultry in Motion wrote:
This is as clear as I can make it: "Ask Dennis to identify *the Mini-500 prototype* for you." Ok, ask me. What do you want to know about the "Mini-500 prototype". It was the first Mini-500 I built, so it was a prototype. What point are you trying to make? Please just spell it out so we don't have to be guessing. I'm not afraid to answer. |
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Victimizing Aircraft Designers - An American Specialty? (wasFetters)
Dennis Fetters wrote:
Poultry in Motion wrote: This is as clear as I can make it: "Ask Dennis to identify *the Mini-500 prototype* for you." Ok, ask me. What do you want to know about the "Mini-500 prototype". It was the first Mini-500 I built, so it was a prototype. It's already known, I quoted your own words about it from an older post. Your Mini-500 prototype was Cicare's CH-6. What point are you trying to make? Please just spell it out so we don't have to be guessing. I'm not afraid to answer. This is simple - "so I paid for the prototype to be sent here so I could fly it in the show" "After the air show, we put the prototype into a storage building" You're afraid to call Cicare's CH-6 your prototype any more. |
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Victimizing Aircraft Designers - An American Specialty? (wasFetters)
Dennis Fetters wrote:
Poultry in Motion wrote: Dennis Fetters wrote: This is an open challenge, and request to Mr. Agusto Cicare, so will someone in touch please let him know; Try Glenn Ryerson http://www.3cats.com/helicopter/ He knows both you and Cicare well. Yes, indeed Mr. Ryerson knows him well, he was the first one to publish on his website the letter where Mr. Cicare admitted that the two designs were different. Never seen that. Did see pictures of you and your pal Glenn together. Even a picture of you seated in "Miss Nina", Glenn's CH-7 Angel. Yes, he owned your competitor's helicopter, not one of yours. But he was an enthusiastic supporter of them all, including Mimi-500s. Then suddenly, all articles and pictures of Mini-500s, the entire section, was pulled from the site. Replaced by a note that, due to threats received, ( *UNMENTIONABLE* ) helicopters could no longer appear on the site. Boob Boob again! "I came back to the USA, and started with what I could do. First we needed money, and I needed to find an investor to help us out. We also wrote the contract for the deal we had agreed to and sent it to him to sign. Now the 1990 Oshkosh was coming up fast, so I paid for the prototype to be sent here so I could fly it in the show. This would help bring an investor to the table and allow us to raise the money to pay the $30,000 for the prototype and all the expenses for the development. After the air show, we put the prototype into a storage building, and Mr. Cicare had the only key. We never had access after that to the prototype." http://groups.google.co.in/group/rec.aviation.rotorcraft/msg/e6653542c044a2ef So what's your point? This is exactly what I said. You just backed up my side of the event? Point --- Cicare's CH-6 helicopter was the Mini-500 prototype. First, I was never alone 5 minutes with the Cicare prototype. Even then, I never seen the inside of anything. Now, if anyone thinks that I can take a tape measure and in moments sneaking around in the dark take down enough information from the Cicare prototype to turn around an built the Mini-500 within one year....... You had lots of time. And you took Cicare's CH-6 away on a trailer after the airshow. He retrieved it later. Yes, but I also took Cicare and his wife away from the airshow with it. His prototype was never Not his prototype, yours. His helicopter was your Mini-500 prototype. left alone in our hands. It was shipped here for YOU to fly at Oshkosh, you already said so! And now you claim you were never alone 5 minutes with it, and never saw the inside of it? So now, again you are full of holes, or something else. I'm full of questions. |
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Victimizing Aircraft Designers - An American Specialty? (wasFetters)
Poultry in Motion wrote:
Dennis Fetters wrote: Poultry in Motion wrote: This is as clear as I can make it: "Ask Dennis to identify *the Mini-500 prototype* for you." Ok, ask me. What do you want to know about the "Mini-500 prototype". It was the first Mini-500 I built, so it was a prototype. It's already known, I quoted your own words about it from an older post. Your Mini-500 prototype was Cicare's CH-6. What point are you trying to make? Please just spell it out so we don't have to be guessing. I'm not afraid to answer. This is simple - "so I paid for the prototype to be sent here so I could fly it in the show" "After the air show, we put the prototype into a storage building" You're afraid to call Cicare's CH-6 your prototype any more. Oh that one, I guess you need to read! That was what we were going to use as a prototype, but as I said Cicare didn't do what he agreed, so even after I advertised we were going to use his CH-6 as a prototype, that was when I assumed he was going to live up to his part of the deal. He didn't, and I ended up having to design the Mini-500 all by myself without the use of Cicares' help or his CH-6, so the CH-6 never was used as the prototype after all. So the first Mini-500 prototype turned out to be the first one I built. Its that simple, and I wrote that before, as I said you just have to read. |
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Victimizing Aircraft Designers - An American Specialty? (wasFetters)
Poultry in Motion wrote:
Dennis Fetters wrote: Yes, indeed Mr. Ryerson knows him well, he was the first one to publish on his website the letter where Mr. Cicare admitted that the two designs were different. Never seen that. Did see pictures of you and your pal Glenn together. Even a picture of you seated in "Miss Nina", Glenn's CH-7 Angel. Yes, he owned your competitor's helicopter, not one of yours. But he was an enthusiastic supporter of them all, including Mimi-500s. Sorry you didn't pay more attention. I guess it you would have been more informed of the real facts, you would not have showed everyone here on the newsgroup how very little you know about everything you have talked about related to me or the Mini-500. They all know now! Then suddenly, all articles and pictures of Mini-500s, the entire section, was pulled from the site. Replaced by a note that, due to threats received, ( *UNMENTIONABLE* ) helicopters could no longer appear on the site. I don't run Glenns' website, he does, and I'm not privy to the reasons why he does what he does. So what's your point? This is exactly what I said. You just backed up my side of the event? Point --- Cicare's CH-6 helicopter was the Mini-500 prototype. Answered on your other post; "Oh that one, I guess you need to read! That was what we were going to use as a prototype, but as I said Cicare didn't do what he agreed, so even after I advertised we were going to use his CH-6 as a prototype, that was when I assumed he was going to live up to his part of the deal. He didn't, and I ended up having to design the Mini-500 all by myself without the use of Cicares' help or his CH-6, so the CH-6 never was used as the prototype after all. So the first Mini-500 prototype turned out to be the first one I built. Its that simple, and I wrote that before, as I said you just have to read." I'm full of questions. As we are showing here, that's not all... |
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Victimizing Aircraft Designers - An American Specialty? (wasFetters)
Dennis Fetters wrote:
Poultry in Motion wrote: Dennis Fetters wrote: Poultry in Motion wrote: This is as clear as I can make it: "Ask Dennis to identify *the Mini-500 prototype* for you." Ok, ask me. What do you want to know about the "Mini-500 prototype". It was the first Mini-500 I built, so it was a prototype. It's already known, I quoted your own words about it from an older post. Your Mini-500 prototype was Cicare's CH-6. What point are you trying to make? Please just spell it out so we don't have to be guessing. I'm not afraid to answer. This is simple - "so I paid for the prototype to be sent here so I could fly it in the show" "After the air show, we put the prototype into a storage building" You're afraid to call Cicare's CH-6 your prototype any more. Oh that one, I guess you need to read! That was what we were going to use as a prototype, but as I said Cicare didn't do what he agreed, so even after I advertised we were going to use his CH-6 as a prototype, that was when I assumed he was going to live up to his part of the deal. He didn't, and I ended up having to design the Mini-500 all by myself... .... and golly gosh what a coincidence, it came out almost just like a CH-6 but I really designed it all by myself really. Two helicopters came out of the CH-6: The CH-7, a winner by all accounts. Anyone not seen the picture of one lifting off carrying two more people standing outside on the skids? Anyone like to? I've seen two videos of them crashing, one appeared to be of a pilot performing low-level idiocy and running way short of the bottom half of a loop before the ground came up and smashed him. He walked away, likewise the other CH-7 video crasher. The Mini-500, a botched effort. A small jockey-size pilot was hired to demo flight it at shows. Factory's "PEP" pipe was effort to wring adequate performance out of this dog. Same Rotax engine, but necessary styling dictated that the engine be enclosed. Famous for seizing. Frame cracked under heavy vibes, so factory solution was to weld more metal onto frame. |
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Victimizing Aircraft Designers - An American Specialty? (was Fetters)
"Poultry in Motion" wrote Factory's "PEP" pipe was effort to wring adequate performance out of this dog. How about running the engine over 100% for normal operations. That's gotta be good on it, don't 'cha think? Oh, I know, you-know-who has an answer for that one, too. -- Jim in NC |
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Victimizing Aircraft Designers - An American Specialty? (wasFetters)
Morgans wrote:
"Poultry in Motion" wrote Factory's "PEP" pipe was effort to wring adequate performance out of this dog. How about running the engine over 100% for normal operations. That's gotta be good on it, don't 'cha think? Why, yes. Stuff it into stifling hot compartment, add a Fetters re-engineered cooling system, Fetters' pipe, Fetters' carb jetting, nail the throttle, and it's all good. Remember, Rotax's 100% isn't Fetters' 100%, those are two different 100%s. In fact, Rotax had to ask Dennis Fetters to please help them design their engine. Dennis himself said that, so we know it is true. Oh, I know, you-know-who has an answer for that one, too. Hmm. You mean planemanman, man? |
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Victimizing Aircraft Designers - An American Specialty? (wasFetters)
Dennis Fetters wrote:
Poultry in Motion wrote: Dennis Fetters wrote: Yes, indeed Mr. Ryerson knows him well, he was the first one to publish on his website the letter where Mr. Cicare admitted that the two designs were different. Never seen that. Did see pictures of you and your pal Glenn together. Even a picture of you seated in "Miss Nina", Glenn's CH-7 Angel. Yes, he owned your competitor's helicopter, not one of yours. But he was an enthusiastic supporter of them all, including Mimi-500s. Sorry you didn't pay more attention. I guess it you would have been more informed of the real facts, you would not have showed everyone here on the newsgroup how very little you know about everything you have talked about related to me or the Mini-500. They all know now! Then suddenly, all articles and pictures of Mini-500s, the entire section, was pulled from the site. Replaced by a note that, due to threats received, ( *UNMENTIONABLE* ) helicopters could no longer appear on the site. I don't run Glenns' website, he does, and I'm not privy to the reasons why he does what he does. Of course you are. You threatened him. He was your friend and defender, but you dumped the friendship because he was too honest for you to deal with. He spoke what was on his mind. He was direct in his criticism of the Italians who built his CH-7, and that was after he'd been their guest. Glenn got to know all the players personally, didn't he? You needed to shut him up before he learned more about you. So what's your point? This is exactly what I said. You just backed up my side of the event? Point --- Cicare's CH-6 helicopter was the Mini-500 prototype. Answered on your other post; "Oh that one, I guess you need to read! That was what we were going to use as a prototype, but as I said Cicare didn't do what he agreed, so even after I advertised we were going to use his CH-6 as a prototype, that was when I assumed he was going to live up to his part of the deal. He didn't, and I ended up having to design the Mini-500 all by myself without the use of Cicares' help or his CH-6, so the CH-6 never was used as the prototype after all. So the first Mini-500 prototype turned out to be the first one I built. Its that simple, and I wrote that before, as I said you just have to read." I'm full of questions. As we are showing here, that's not all... Yes, insight too. |
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