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Certified to Experimental?
Just wondering. Is it possible (read practical) to take a certified
aircraft (C172 for example) and have it "demoted" to an Experimental? Seems there are LOTS of great options out there for non-certified flight instruments (EFIS's and such) available for not much more than a song and a dance, but you can't put them in a certified plane (my understanding anyway). If I'm a fair weather, non-commercial pilot, why would I care if the FAA stamped my alternator or not? Cause if they do, the price jumps 500% for the same part that's on my Dodge. (all that said, I understand that the certification is there for safety purposes and that I will lose the "promise" of the FAA saying that its a well proven part). Thanks |
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"Jeff Franks" wrote:
If I'm a fair weather, non-commercial pilot, why would I care if the FAA stamped my alternator or not? You might not care about your alternator, but you probably *would* care when you found out what your "experimental" 172 was worth when you tried to sell it. -- Dan C172RG at BFM |
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Jeff Franks ) wrote:
Just wondering. Is it possible (read practical) to take a certified aircraft (C172 for example) and have it "demoted" to an Experimental? A few weeks ago, I saw a 2003 C182 that had been "demoted" to an Experimental due to the installed Garmin G1000 avionics. I was told that this aircraft could not carry passengers because of this status, so we were unable to see the avionics in action. FWIW... -- Peter ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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"Jeff Franks" wrote in message
... Just wondering. Is it possible (read practical) to take a certified aircraft (C172 for example) and have it "demoted" to an Experimental? See Part 21. In particular, 21.191 summarizes the kinds of experimental certificates available. In answer to your question: it IS possible to get an experimental certficate for a C172. However, I don't think you'd be able to use either the "amateur-built" or "kit-built" categories if all you've done is put non-certified equipment on the plane. And it's unlikely you'd find the restrictions on the use of your airplane acceptable in the other categories of experimental certificate (and only a couple others allow the certificate to last indefinitely anyway). In other words, I don't think there's any practical way to accomplish what you're asking about. I suppose you could dismantle a C172 completely, build a "new" plane from scratch from the parts, and call it "amateur-built". But if you're going to go to that much trouble, I'd just build a real homebuilt. Pete |
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"Jeff Franks" wrote: Just wondering. Is it possible (read practical) to take a certified aircraft (C172 for example) and have it "demoted" to an Experimental? It's possible and is done quite a bit for specific purposes. An example would be many aircraft in Alaska that are operated in the "Restricted" category allowing them to carry things like canoes strapped to the floats, plywood in a rack under the belly, etc. Being in the "Experimental" category has some restrictions. You operate under a letter from the FAA that outlines "Operating Limitations". Some of the restrictions that apply to a/c operated as "Experimental" are no operation for hire, no skkydiving allowed, you may or may not be able to carry passengers other than required crew, no operation over densely populated areas or in congested airways, VFR only. There may also be restrictions on how far from home you can go. As another poster mentioned, when it comes time to sell unless the buyer wants an experimental airplane you either have the expense of getting the airplane back to "Standard" or reduce the price. -- Dale L. Falk There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing as simply messing around with airplanes. http://home.gci.net/~sncdfalk/flying.html |
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could not carry pax in an experimental? happens all the time...
many home builts and gliders are certified experimental.. the aircraft must be marked "experimental" in letters of a stated size and in an area visible to the pax must have been an insurance thing.. BT "Peter R." wrote in message ... Jeff Franks ) wrote: Just wondering. Is it possible (read practical) to take a certified aircraft (C172 for example) and have it "demoted" to an Experimental? A few weeks ago, I saw a 2003 C182 that had been "demoted" to an Experimental due to the installed Garmin G1000 avionics. I was told that this aircraft could not carry passengers because of this status, so we were unable to see the avionics in action. FWIW... -- Peter ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:29:35 -0800, "BTIZ"
wrote: could not carry pax in an experimental? happens all the time... many home builts and gliders are certified experimental.. the aircraft must be marked "experimental" in letters of a stated size and in an area visible to the pax must have been an insurance thing.. When the FAA grants an experimental cert on a former standard cert aircraft, they virtually always remove your ability to legally carry pax afterwards. This is the established precedent. What we need is an "experimental-antique" type of cert that would allow full owner maintenance and simple A&P annual "condition inspections" on old, small planes just like the homebuilt aircraft enjoy today. |
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"BTIZ" wrote in message
news:Jdvzb.2374$yf.275@fed1read01... could not carry pax in an experimental? happens all the time... many home builts and gliders are certified experimental.. Not all experimentals carry the "amateur" or "kit-built" designation. the aircraft must be marked "experimental" in letters of a stated size and in an area visible to the pax True, for experimentals that are permitted to carry passengers. So? must have been an insurance thing.. No, it was more likely an FAA thing. As in, with the installed avionics, the plane was probably being operated under an R&D or "showing compliance" designation, neither of which allow the carriage of passengers. Pete |
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"Peter Duniho" wrote in message ... "BTIZ" wrote in message news:Jdvzb.2374$yf.275@fed1read01... could not carry pax in an experimental? happens all the time... many home builts and gliders are certified experimental.. Not all experimentals carry the "amateur" or "kit-built" designation. True the aircraft must be marked "experimental" in letters of a stated size and in an area visible to the pax True, for experimentals that are permitted to carry passengers. So? just a side bar note must have been an insurance thing.. No, it was more likely an FAA thing. As in, with the installed avionics, the plane was probably being operated under an R&D or "showing compliance" designation, neither of which allow the carriage of passengers. Pete could be... |
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"BTIZ" wrote
could not carry pax in an experimental? happens all the time... many home builts and gliders are certified experimental.. There are several categories of "Experimental". 1 Amateur Built 2 Exhibition 3 Research and Development 4 Air Racing 5 Crew Training 6 Market Survey 7 To Show Compliance With The CFR Sounds as if you are only familiar with Amateur Built and Exhibition. Bob Moore |
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