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"tim gueguen" wrote in message news:PCAic.247951$oR5.203713@pd7tw3no...
"Evan Brennan" wrote in message ... "Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ... Most criminals know that shooting cops is a really BAD idea. Yet around 150 are killed and 230 injured in the US every year and US cops are armed while British police typically are not. I prefer things our way. Your way didn't work too well in Northern Ireland. You mean that place they sent the Army into. Good point. The US Army certainly does not patrol my neighborhood, city or state. No need to. On some days (when they please the English) Northern Irelanders are referred to as "British". On other days, it is generally considered a crime to be Irish. You know, those folks with really cool guns. The Royal Ulster Constabulary made considerable use of firearms as well. As did the Loyalist guerrillas, who greatly outnumbered their adversaries from IRA. |
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 11:47:53 +1200, Kerryn Offord wrote:
Jim Yanik wrote: SNIP Now,that UK man who shot the burglars in the back was justified,as the police were of NO use,and he had suffered repeated burglaries.The police failed in providing him security,so it fell upon himself to do so. Criminals should have no right to safety while commiting their crimes. SNIP This is simply attempted murder. The target was no threat and was departing, but the householder shot him anyway (that makes it vindictive). If the householder had just shot the guy in the chest when he first confronted him.... It seems to come down to a difference in attitudes. Americans hold everybody else's life cheap (cheaper than the cheapest bit of property). Uk/NZ and others consider both lives of value, but allow reasonable force in defence of self or others (defence of property is different). Of course, now that NZ has given up defending itself you will be awfully grateful when rough men with guns show up to carry the burden. Confusing humanity for an unwillingness to defend oneself in a game for fools. Al Minyard |
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"Evan Brennan" wrote in message m... "tim gueguen" wrote in message news:PCAic.247951$oR5.203713@pd7tw3no... "Evan Brennan" wrote in message ... "Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ... Most criminals know that shooting cops is a really BAD idea. Yet around 150 are killed and 230 injured in the US every year and US cops are armed while British police typically are not. I prefer things our way. Your way didn't work too well in Northern Ireland. You mean that place they sent the Army into. Good point. The US Army certainly does not patrol my neighborhood, city or state. No need to. On some days (when they please the English) Northern Irelanders are referred to as "British". On other days, it is generally considered a crime to be Irish. Brennan - as always, you're are talking rubbish. You know, those folks with really cool guns. The Royal Ulster Constabulary made considerable use of firearms as well. As did the Loyalist guerrillas, who greatly outnumbered their adversaries from IRA. I guess you're a former fully paid-up member of Noraid? Good job, striking one home against those pesky Brits for the underdog colonists. Go team! Doyle |
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"Evan Brennan" wrote in message m... "tim gueguen" wrote in message news:PCAic.247951$oR5.203713@pd7tw3no... "Evan Brennan" wrote in message ... "Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ... Most criminals know that shooting cops is a really BAD idea. Yet around 150 are killed and 230 injured in the US every year and US cops are armed while British police typically are not. I prefer things our way. Your way didn't work too well in Northern Ireland. You mean that place they sent the Army into. Good point. The US Army certainly does not patrol my neighborhood, city or state. No need to. Because no part of the US has had a bunch of terrorist bombers running around blowing things up for years. If say one of the militia groups had engaged in a sustained and effect campaign of terror in Michigan you'd see soldiers patrolling the street there as well. The US has been fortunate that its terrorists have either been relatively limited in their actual activities, or have proven ineffectual at anything beyond simple crime, like the Order in the mid '80s. The US has never had a terrorist group as operationally effective as the IRA or the Red Brigades. tim gueguen 101867 |
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"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message ...
In 2002/03, just over 3 in 100 households were burgled (this includes attempted burglaries and burglaries where nothing was taken). " http://www.crimestatistics.org.uk/output/Page55.asp This corresponds interestingly with the 2002 US DoJ figures citing 27.7 burglaries per 1,000 households: just under 3 per 100. http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus02.pdf Something is weird here. The US, population 300 million, has 110 million households and reported 3 million burglaries. The UK, population 60 million, reported 1 million burglaries. Both are reporting the same per-household burglary rate, but the UK is reporting a per-capita burglary rate nearly twice as high. Is the average household size in the UK really that much smaller (less than two)? -jake |
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Alan Minyard wrote: On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 11:47:53 +1200, Kerryn Offord wrote: Jim Yanik wrote: SNIP Now,that UK man who shot the burglars in the back was justified,as the police were of NO use,and he had suffered repeated burglaries.The police failed in providing him security,so it fell upon himself to do so. Criminals should have no right to safety while commiting their crimes. SNIP This is simply attempted murder. The target was no threat and was departing, but the householder shot him anyway (that makes it vindictive). If the householder had just shot the guy in the chest when he first confronted him.... It seems to come down to a difference in attitudes. Americans hold everybody else's life cheap (cheaper than the cheapest bit of property). Uk/NZ and others consider both lives of value, but allow reasonable force in defence of self or others (defence of property is different). Of course, now that NZ has given up defending itself you will be awfully grateful when rough men with guns show up to carry the burden. Confusing humanity for an unwillingness to defend oneself in a game for fools. Al Minyard What makes you say NZ has given up defending itself? There is a world of difference between defending yourself, which NZers have no problem with, and shooting as a first response... and also not being careful about where you are shooting (today's news story about 4 Iraqi school children being shot by US forces when they rushed out of school to look at the Humvee that had been blown up.... is this the kind of defending we are expected to be grateful for?) NZs defence force is about 12000 from a population of ~4 million (0.3% of pop) This equates to a USA (pop ~300 million) or 900,000.... Ok, so relatively speaking, we are under protected (there is one regular infantry battalion per 2 million..so does the US have 150 infantry battalions? OTOH... most enlist for more than a single 4 year tour (average more experienced soldiers....) |
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"tim gueguen" wrote in
news:bX%ic.260994$Ig.101272@pd7tw2no: "Evan Brennan" wrote in message m... "tim gueguen" wrote in message news:PCAic.247951$oR5.203713@pd7tw3no... "Evan Brennan" wrote in message ... "Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ... Most criminals know that shooting cops is a really BAD idea. Yet around 150 are killed and 230 injured in the US every year and US cops are armed while British police typically are not. I prefer things our way. Your way didn't work too well in Northern Ireland. You mean that place they sent the Army into. Good point. The US Army certainly does not patrol my neighborhood, city or state. No need to. Because no part of the US has had a bunch of terrorist bombers running around blowing things up for years. If say one of the militia groups had engaged in a sustained and effect campaign of terror in Michigan you'd see soldiers patrolling the street there as well. The US has been fortunate that its terrorists have either been relatively limited in their actual activities, or have proven ineffectual at anything beyond simple crime, like the Order in the mid '80s. The US has never had a terrorist group as operationally effective as the IRA or the Red Brigades. tim gueguen 101867 The US military is prohibited by LAW from operating inside the US. (Posse Comitatus,IIRC) Bsides,the police SWAT teams,FBI and BATF-troop are all very close to military capabilities.Now the National Guard (considered today's militia) could be deployed. Although,IMO,they are merely part of the ordinary US military. -- Jim Yanik jyanik-at-kua.net |
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"tim gueguen" wrote in message news:bX%ic.260994$Ig.101272@pd7tw2no...
Your way didn't work too well in Northern Ireland. You mean that place they sent the Army into. Good point. The US Army certainly does not patrol my neighborhood, city or state. No need to. Because no part of the US has had a bunch of terrorist bombers running around blowing things up for years. If say one of the militia groups had engaged in a sustained and effect campaign of terror in Michigan you'd see soldiers patrolling the street there as well. For the better part of a century? : ) And Northern Ireland is part of an island, Michigan is not. This should have made the job much easier for the British government, but they are simply bad policemen. US has never had a terrorist group as operationally effective as the IRA The British called Washington's Continental Army a terrorist group. The IRA was successful mainly because the numbskulls of the British security forces were so ineffective. To this day, their strategy in Northern Ireland still has no clear objectives. |
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