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It is a deeply revered symbol of progress & continuity of life.
Associating it with evil is only a sign of ignorance. Your post is a sign of ignorance. Something like thirty million people died because Germany followed the swastika. A fair number of them were Indians. all the best -- Dan Ford email: (put CUB in subject line) see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com |
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Wasn't the swastika a symbol of the state building the aircraf No, it was the symbol of the NSDP, the Nazi party. The state symbol was the teutonic cross. Indeed, if you look at an authentic German warplane of the era, you will notice that the swastika is fairly unimportant, as compared to the cross, and sometimes is missing altogether. Interestingly, the hakristi -- a blue bent-leg cross -- was the symbol of the Finnish air force, and shows much more prominently on Finnish aircraft. If Pensacola ever succeeds in acquiring the Brewster Buffalo recovered several years ago from Russia -- www.warbirdforum.com/372.htm -- there will presumably be a blue "swastika" on display at the naval air museum. That the symbol was used (sometimes facing to the left) by Finland, Indians, Native Americans, and the publishers of Rudyard Kipling's books doesn't alter in the slightest that for anyone alive in the mid-twentieth century it is first of all the mark of an insane, murderous cult that ruled Germany for twelve years and led the world into the greatest man-made calamity in all of history. all the best -- Dan Ford email: (put CUB in subject line) see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com |
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"Cub Driver" wrote in message
Your post is a sign of ignorance. Something like thirty million people died because Germany followed the swastika. A fair number of them were Indians. Picking nits: They didn't "follow the swastika". They followed Hitler who used the symbol. There's a difference. -- John T http://tknowlogy.com/tknoFlyer __________ |
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Thanks for your post, Robert. This is exactly the point I was making
-The narrow-minded and shallow thinking of the European culture. For just this example, the Nazis adopted the Swastika in the 20th century while it has been a symbol of "good," not bad, for at least 3 millennia on this planet. For the inquisitive minds, just do a search on "Swastika" on google and you'll find more depth than the street knowledge of "bad stuff". You'll still be just scratching the surface of the good heritage of old civilization that gave the world a lot of invaluable things like meditation, yoga and more. Peace, Deep. Robert Perkins wrote in message . .. On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 23:37:26 GMT, "John T" wrote: Good catch. I was using the term (admittedly narrowly) in reference to Americans and Europeans - most of whom seem to link the swastika with nothing but Nazi Germany. The Nazi context is the only context I'd seen the swastika in for the first 25 years of my life. If there are other contexts, they're not widely known in the U.S. Rob |
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Cub Driver wrote in message . ..
Your post is a sign of ignorance. Something like thirty million people died because Germany followed the swastika. A fair number of them were Indians. all the best -- Dan Ford Dan, I knew that someone will include this in their post. This is not the point I was making. My wife is Jewish and I know well about Holocaust. The point I was making is that if an evil organization adopted a symbol a 100 years ago, and that the symbol had been representing good for millennia before that, then representing only the evil association of the symbol is ignorance at best. It is evident from the common observation (as another poster testified as well) that people do not know about any other association but the 100 year old mentioned above. Do you see the problem? I think I made my point clear in the previous post and in the above paragraphs. It was not my intent to call you or Robert ignorant so please do not take offence at that. Peace, Deep |
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On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:48:00 GMT, "John T" wrote:
They didn't "follow the swastika". They followed Hitler who used the symbol. There's a difference. Not much. That difference and a dime would buy you an ice cream cone in 1945. Plonk! all the best -- Dan Ford email: (put CUB in subject line) see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com |
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It is evident from the common observation (as another poster testified as well) that people do not know about any other association but the 100 year old mentioned above. Do you see the problem? No, I don't see the problem. If people do not know about the good association, then I think you should take it as a given thatfor those people--the vast majority likely to be posting here--the swastika is a symbol of evil. It is to me, even though I know perfectly well about its other uses, and evidently it is to most people, as you have just indicated. The Hell's Angels motorcycle gang doesn't fancy swastika tattoes because it means nice things to Native Americans and some Asian cultures. They adopt them because it is a symbol of evil. all the best -- Dan Ford email: (put CUB in subject line) see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com |
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Cub Driver wrote in message . ..
If people do not know about the good association, then I think you should take it as a given thatfor those people--the vast majority likely to be posting here--the swastika is a symbol of evil. It is to me, even though I know perfectly well about its other uses, and evidently it is to most people, as you have just indicated. The Hell's Angels motorcycle gang doesn't fancy swastika tattoes because it means nice things to Native Americans and some Asian cultures. They adopt them because it is a symbol of evil. Exactly my point. The "if" in the above post is what I am trying to highlight. The history is known and if people chose to ignore it (i.e. "if people do not know about the good association...") then it is ignorance isn't it? A deliberate ignorance at that. Let's assume that al-qaeda (sp?) uses a cross (or imagine your favorite symbol here) in some evil operation as their symbol. Would you start associating it with evil or would you look at the bigger picture? peace, Deep |
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