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I don't know that I can completely agree with you, I've heard the issue
about hold practice, from grey haired CFI's and regular G.A. pilots,,,, they all seem to say the same thing about holds. I know what you are saying, but realistically, how many times have have you been asked to hold at a towered airport because traffic load was so prohibitive. I've only been flying since 2000, but in my personal flying I've only ever been asked to hold because of traffic, once!,,, EVER... Yep,,, missed approach holds,,, okay maybe there... but I don't think most of us are going to be flying anywhere near to minimums and will be able to make the runway just fine on the first try, since most of us are REALLY REALLY good :-. Okay,,, kind of kidding,,,, I know that we are supposed to handle missed approaches as if they are the norm and a landing on the first try as unexpected.... yada yada yada.... -- -- =----- Good Flights! Cecil PP-ASEL Student-IASEL Check out my personal flying adventures from my first flight to the checkride AND the continuing adventures beyond! Complete with pictures and text at: www.bayareapilot.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." - Antoine de Saint-Exupery - "We who fly, do so for the love of flying. We are alive in the air with this miracle that lies in our hands and beneath our feet" - Cecil Day Lewis - experience. Hilton |
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"Cecil E. Chapman" wrote in message
. com... I don't know that I can completely agree with you, I've heard the issue about hold practice, from grey haired CFI's and regular G.A. pilots,,,, they all seem to say the same thing about holds. I know what you are saying, but realistically, how many times have have you been asked to hold at a towered airport because traffic load was so prohibitive. I've only been flying since 2000, but in my personal flying I've only ever been asked to hold because of traffic, once!,,, EVER... Yep,,, missed approach holds,,, okay maybe there... but I don't think most of us are going to be flying anywhere near to minimums and will be able to make the runway just fine on the first try, since most of us are REALLY REALLY good :-. Okay,,, kind of kidding,,,, I know that we are supposed to handle missed approaches as if they are the norm and a landing on the first try as unexpected.... yada yada yada.... I have had scandalously few hours in the system since I passed my checkride, and I've had to hold on approach twice. Once approaching Arlington when the controller was trying to ensure that the predecessor, who had actually - gasp - landed, had closed. And once at Paine when the controller had, at a guess, been a little optimistic about sequencing. Surely the first problem illustrates that it's going to be more likely to happen at an untowered field because by then you're on advisories and off radar? It doesn't have to be a busy hub. Remember to check if there's a specific frequency for closing the plan at an untowered field (e.g. one local airport with ILS and scheduled airline traffic uses the CD frequency, but that's not clearly stated on the plate). -- David Brooks |
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My soon to be DE who flys for ATA told me he has only been told to hold
4 times in his entire career... Maybe the big boys don't get holds as much as us little guys... JK Cecil E. Chapman wrote: I don't know that I can completely agree with you, I've heard the issue about hold practice, from grey haired CFI's and regular G.A. pilots,,,, they all seem to say the same thing about holds. I know what you are saying, but realistically, how many times have have you been asked to hold at a towered airport because traffic load was so prohibitive. I've only been flying since 2000, but in my personal flying I've only ever been asked to hold because of traffic, once!,,, EVER... Yep,,, missed approach holds,,, okay maybe there... but I don't think most of us are going to be flying anywhere near to minimums and will be able to make the runway just fine on the first try, since most of us are REALLY REALLY good :-. Okay,,, kind of kidding,,,, I know that we are supposed to handle missed approaches as if they are the norm and a landing on the first try as unexpected.... yada yada yada.... |
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Be the plane.... be the plane... be the plane... OK got it...
Thanks.... JK Jack Allison wrote: Good luck John. Be the plane man, be the plane... |
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Hi Allen,
When I took my multi-engine check ride my boss was getting his DE authority also. The FAA Inspector from Albuquerque, NM was also training two new inspectors. There were five of us in a Piper Navajo on a July day in NM. Talk about "sweating" it out. P.S. We all passed! Wow that must have given the examiner(s) an opportunity to really test the single engine climb performance! They probably all had white knuckles by the time you landed... I'm now hoping I don't get an extra person on board the Seminole when it comes to taking the Multi addon, the performance is marginal at best! Best wishes, Richard Thomas CP-ASEL IA Student AMEL |
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Cecil,
Cecil wrote: I don't know that I can completely agree with you, I've heard the issue about hold practice, from grey haired CFI's and regular G.A. pilots,,,, they all seem to say the same thing about holds. Well, it's definitely a YMMV thing. Also, it depends when and where you fly. I know what you are saying, but realistically, how many times have have you been asked to hold at a towered airport because traffic load was so prohibitive. Firstly, that's just one of many scenarios for being asked/told to hold. To answer your question, I don't know. Definitely more than zero, but not that often. I've been asked to hold flying into Arcata, was given a hold out near Modesto, have held at Tracy for the LVK ILS 25R as well as at MARNA down near MRY. More often though I get a 'visual hold' or a 'vector hold'. There are some approaches that start with a turn in the hold - check out Napa - given direct SGD at 4000' cleared for the approach - you basically fly the hold. Hilton |
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