I give up, after many, many years!

On May 19, 7:08*am, Mxsmanic wrote:
A Lieberman writes:
Yep, go ahead, try leveling off with an AI ERRONEOUSLY showing a 20
pitch up. *Go ahead and trust that instrument.

The AI is the most reliable instrument on most aircraft, after the magnetic
compass. *And of course you'll want two, just in case one fails, for IFR..

Would love to know what your sources are on that information MX. in
all the aircraft I have flown both the AI and DI were powered from the
same vacuum pump and the pump is the most common cause of failure of
gyroscopic instruments. How do I know that? not from any books I have
read, and I have many on aviation, but from first hand advice from
several flying instructors, and actually had a vacuum pump failure in
a Warrior on one of my PPL flight tests ( and you are not allowed to
ask why I had more than one test :) )
Terry
PPL Downunder

On May 19, 3:45*am, Le Chaud Lapin wrote:
On May 18, 8:36*am, terry wrote:





On May 18, 11:01*pm, "Jay Honeck" wrote: Third, and most likely alternative: he's just stupid.

MX is many things. Persistent, stubborn, blunt, thick-skinned, willing to
argue that black-eyed-peas are really black-eyed-beans, yes. * Occasionally
annoying, often entertaining (mostly because of the responses he obtains),
always willing to come back for more. *He's like a Weebil that won't fall
down.

But stupid? * I don't think so.
--

I agree , definately not stupid, probably well above average IQ .A
vertible human sponge of information. But sadly lacking the social
skills necessary to function in any meaningful way to be be able to do
anything useful with the knowledge he has soaked up. *The problem with
getting all of your information from books *and the internet as
distinct from actually doing anything in real life is that you just
dont know what you dont know. *You and I could read 100 books on
neurosurgery but we would realise from our other life experiences that
it would be futile to get into an argument with a neurosurgeon on how
to perform a labotomy. *But not our Anthony, he just doesnt have the
life experience outside his virtural existance to realise just how
little he really knows about anything. Its sad really. *I wish I could
help him, its a shame some local pilot hasnt tried to take him under
their wing and give him a taste of real life.
Terry

Umm...no.

You started out this paragraph in defense of Mx, and then make a
retraction midway through:

You write:

A
vertible human sponge of information. But sadly lacking the social
skills necessary to function in any meaningful way to be be able to do
anything useful with the knowledge he has soaked up.

Then you write:

But not our Anthony, he just doesnt have the
life experience outside his virtural existance to realise just how
little he really knows about anything

So first you imply that he knows much (relatively speaking). *Then you
imply that he knows little (relatively speaking).

Which is it?

What I am saying is that he knows lots of stuff, but does not know how
to connect it together or use it in any practical way, or in context
as others have put it. In just about any endeavour there is a
body of know how that you just wont get from reading. No matter how
much information he reads and even retains about flying, he would not
be able to fly a real plane without learning physically how to fly a
real plane, because he knows so little about flying a real plane.
Terry

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

A Lieberman writes:

WRONG

Learning by trial and error is a poor policy when errors can be fatal.


You're a clueless moron.

george wrote in news:0dca79db-786f-471b-beec-
:

On May 19, 8:55 am, Benjamin Dover wrote:

This newsgroup would be much better off if Anthony did try his piloting
skills in a real airplane. He'll be dead and we'll be rid of him.

No. That would mean that he's destroyed an aircraft.


As bad as that is, it would be worth the price.

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in news:86f3c535-1fcd-4dbf-
:

On May 18, 1:50 pm, george wrote:
On May 18, 6:03 pm, WingFlaps wrote:

As a matter of fact, during training my instructor regularly blanked
off the ASI in the circuit and yet I still managed to trim to the
correct final approach speed to within 4 knots (as revealed when the
papaer was removed). Explain that -and no I'm not a very gifted
pilot...

Power setting and attitude ?

LOL George, WingFlaps, is pulling your middle keg,
it's a common BS scenario.
With ASI out, use the back-up stall buzzer on final,
then 4 knot accuracy is easy...duh.
Ken


Ken, you stupid mother ****er, not all aircraft have a stall buzzer. Some
are not even required to have one.

On May 18, 2:19 pm, terry wrote:
On May 19, 7:08 am, Mxsmanic wrote: A Lieberman writes:
Yep, go ahead, try leveling off with an AI ERRONEOUSLY showing a 20
pitch up. Go ahead and trust that instrument.

The AI is the most reliable instrument on most aircraft, after the magnetic
compass. And of course you'll want two, just in case one fails, for IFR.

Would love to know what your sources are on that information MX. in
all the aircraft I have flown both the AI and DI were powered from the
same vacuum pump and the pump is the most common cause of failure of
gyroscopic instruments. How do I know that? not from any books I have
read, and I have many on aviation, but from first hand advice from
several flying instructors, and actually had a vacuum pump failure in
a Warrior on one of my PPL flight tests ( and you are not allowed to
ask why I had more than one test :) )
Terry
PPL Downunder

I like the Mxsmanic type. We could get him into the
right seat of some fella puttin in hours for a split on
the rent & gas.
Ten minutes later, I figure the Left-seater would say
SHUT the F##K UP, I'm trying to drive the friggin
airplane. I'd love a tape recording of that, bla-bla-bla.
Seriously MX, you oughta jump into the right seat
for some fun.
Ken

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in
:

On May 17, 6:37 pm, "Jay Honeck" wrote:
A blazingly stupid comment that shows you know nothing about
real flight.

I'll ask again: Can you fly safely with your eyes closed, relying
only on sensations, and selectively ignoring or accepting the
sensations you feel?

What part of you must spend as much time as possible looking out
the window in VFR are you failing to understand?

You guys are hilariously arguing right past each other. MX is
arguing that you can't fly in IMC ("with your eyes closed") by the
seat of your pants -- which is 100% correct.
You, on the other hand, jrespond by arguing that of COURSE you can
fly by the seat of your pants, if only you look out the window!
God almighty, keep it up -- it's "Who's on first" all over again, and
some pretty damned good Saturday night entertainment!
:-)

After doing a weird manuever, it's hard to tell if you're
in a banking turn or a spiral dive, that's how I learned.
Maybe a good pilot could use VFR as a ref, but I was
clued in by my IAS needle going into yellow.

I was a fairly good gymnast, so my orientational
skills are likely a bit better than average.
Ken


Really? Then which planet are you on today?


Bertie

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in news:becc28f3-ebc0-
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On May 17, 8:33 pm, More_Flaps wrote:
On May 18, 1:59 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:
...
After doing a weird manuever, it's hard to tell if you're
in a banking turn or a spiral dive, that's how I learned.
Maybe a good pilot could use VFR as a ref, but I was
clued in by my IAS needle going into yellow.

BS! In VFR the position of the horizon tells you the difference. In
many planes there is no AH 'cos you don't need it for VFR!
The engine noise also tells you if you are descending or climging.
Cheers

What you say is true, for a good experienced pilot,
who have flown disorientation exersizes.
But I'll provide this challenge, block off the speedometer
in your car and I'll bet you'll have a problem driving.
What happens to me is I drift up to 80 MPH, then
go "holy poop".


you're a moron.


Bertie

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in news:86f3c535-1fcd-
:

On May 18, 1:50 pm, george wrote:
On May 18, 6:03 pm, WingFlaps wrote:

As a matter of fact, during training my instructor regularly
blanked
off the ASI in the circuit and yet I still managed to trim to the
correct final approach speed to within 4 knots (as revealed when
the
papaer was removed). Explain that -and no I'm not a very gifted
pilot...

Power setting and attitude ?

LOL George, WingFlaps, is pulling your middle keg,
it's a common BS scenario.
With ASI out, use the back-up stall buzzer on final,
then 4 knot accuracy is easy...duh


Just when you think he can't say anything more stupid, he does.

Bertie

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in news:abc4c280-5dce-
:

On May 18, 3:54 am, B A R R Y wrote:
On Sat, 17 May 2008 20:46:40 -0700 (PDT), "Ken S. Tucker"

wrote:
What you say is true, for a good experienced pilot,
who have flown disorientation exersizes.
But I'll provide this challenge, block off the speedometer
in your car and I'll bet you'll have a problem driving.
What happens to me is I drift up to 80 MPH, then
go "holy poop".

I disagree totally. You must be numb.

Both of my vehicles sound, feel, and act significantly different at
80
than they do at 65 MPH. In top gear of my Toyota, the RPM's are
about
400 higher. On the same token, It's not all that difficult to tell
25 from 35, if I try.

The wind noise is different, the tach shows a different RPM, and the
corresponding engine pitch is noticeably different.

Back to the pilot...

The _change_ in sounds is a great clue, not just that it's all
different and steady.

Yeah you've got it right.
This was wifes new Gran Caravan, almost dead quiet
inside and I was unfamiliar with it. Your thesis hinges
on a familiarity with craft.

And there he goes again... It's like a graveyard spiral of stupid.

Bertie