I give up, after many, many years!

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in
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On May 19, 6:16 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
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No. Radios or not, if you have no instruments in IMC, you're doomed.
Your radio will not help you, and you cannot trust your senses.

I disagee. If all Instruments go dead, go to
magnetic compass for heading, even in a fog, that's
SOP.


No, it isn't.

Maintaining altitude is "seat of pants" thing, so
what? Set cruise RPM and feel airspeed.

Another idiot. Between the two of you you couldn't get a chuck glider
airborne.


Bertie

On May 17, 7:59 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:

I was a fairly good gymnast, so my orientational
skills are likely a bit better than average.
Ken

Your superior orientational skills are just as useless as
everyone else's ordinary orientational skills when in IMC.

Dan

Mxsmanic wrote in
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gatt writes:

DON'T CONTRADICT ME. I FLY PLANES AND YOU PLAY VIDEO GAMES. IF YOU
DON'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "GRAVITY" AND A "SENSATION", THEN
GO JUMP OFF A BRIDGE.

Sounds like an epitaph. Be careful up there.

I QUOTED YOU THE LITERATURE. SPECIFICALLY, FAA-H-8083-3A: IE, The
Federal Aviation Administration Airplane Flying Handbook, chapter 3,
page 2.

I've read the literature, thanks.

The FAA knows a whole hell of a lot more about flying than you,
regardless of what you claim you've read.

No doubt. But I'm not debating this with the FAA.


You aren't debating, period, you're just being an asshole, as always.


Bertie

wrote in news:a5fa9e6d-deab-47d8-92ab-
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On May 17, 7:59 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:

I was a fairly good gymnast, so my orientational
skills are likely a bit better than average.
Ken

Your superior orientational skills are just as useless as
everyone else's ordinary orientational skills when in IMC.


I'd say they were even more useless, exceptionally useless!



Bertie

Ken S. Tucker writes:

I disagee. If all Instruments go dead, go to
magnetic compass for heading, even in a fog, that's
SOP.

If you have a compass, all instruments are not dead.

However, that won't be enough in IMC.

Maintaining altitude is "seat of pants" thing, so
what? Set cruise RPM and feel airspeed.

That isn't possible.

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Ken S. Tucker writes:

I disagee. If all Instruments go dead, go to
magnetic compass for heading, even in a fog, that's
SOP.

If you have a compass, all instruments are not dead.

However, that won't be enough in IMC.

Do tel, what is, fjukkwit?


Bertie

On May 18, 3:19 pm, terry wrote:

Would love to know what your sources are on that information MX. in
all the aircraft I have flown both the AI and DI were powered from the
same vacuum pump and the pump is the most common cause of failure of
gyroscopic instruments. How do I know that? not from any books I have
read, and I have many on aviation, but from first hand advice from
several flying instructors, and actually had a vacuum pump failure in
a Warrior on one of my PPL flight tests ( and you are not allowed to
ask why I had more than one test :) )

We have no vacuum pump failures anymore. Just gyro failures.
Cessna now requires a pump replacement every 500 hours, or a pump with
an inspection port that can be replaced when the vanes wear to certain
point, which takes around 1100 hours on a Lyc, less on a Continental
because of the higher rotational spped of the pump on the Cont. It's
almost always vanes worn beyond limits that cause pump failure, or
rotten and breaking-up vac hoses that release junk into the pump and
lunch it. Cessan wants those hoses replaced every 10 years. Now you
know why.
Of course, so many owners and mechanics ignore the
manufacturer's requirements that pump failures will continue to be a
major problem.

Dan

On May 19, 6:54 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Ken S. Tucker writes:
I disagee. If all Instruments go dead, go to
magnetic compass for heading, even in a fog, that's
SOP.

If you have a compass, all instruments are not dead.

Well duh, it's a magnetic compass in a fluid.

However, that won't be enough in IMC.

Is for me.

Maintaining altitude is "seat of pants" thing, so
what? Set cruise RPM and feel airspeed.

That isn't possible.

Sure it is.
As long as you're not accelerating, which is something
that can be sensed by audio RPM , the magnetic
compass can operate as an artificial horizon too,
because it's like a plumb-bob.
It's of course, independant of operating systems.

IIRC, the magnetic compass is on pre-flight check
list, date of calibration and ascertain operation on
taxi.
Ken

Ken S. Tucker wrote:
On May 19, 6:54 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Ken S. Tucker writes:
I disagee. If all Instruments go dead, go to
magnetic compass for heading, even in a fog, that's
SOP.
If you have a compass, all instruments are not dead.

Well duh, it's a magnetic compass in a fluid.

However, that won't be enough in IMC.

Is for me.

Maintaining altitude is "seat of pants" thing, so
what? Set cruise RPM and feel airspeed.
That isn't possible.

Sure it is.
As long as you're not accelerating, which is something
that can be sensed by audio RPM , the magnetic
compass can operate as an artificial horizon too,
because it's like a plumb-bob.
It's of course, independant of operating systems.

IIRC, the magnetic compass is on pre-flight check
list, date of calibration and ascertain operation on
taxi.
Ken


Instrument Flying Made Easy~

Most people wish to fly on the old gauges at one time or another but are
prevented by the high cost of the instruments necessary for this form of
flight. The following is a more or less known and extremely simple
method which may be used by all.

Place a live cat on the cockpit floor, because a cat always remains
upright, he or she can be used in lieu of a needle and ball instrument.
Merely watch to see which way he leans to determine if a wing is low and
if so, which one. This will enable you to your aircraft level in route
with complete accuracy and confidence.

A duck is used for final instrument approach and landing, because of the
fact that any sensible old duck will refuse to fly under instrument
conditions, it is only necessary to hurl your duck out of the cockpit
window and follow her to the ground.

There are some limitations on the cat and duck method, but by rigidly
adhering to the following check list a degree of success will be
achieved which will not only startle you, but will astonish your
passengers as well, and may have an occasional tower operator with an
open mouth.

· Get a wide-awake cat, most cats do not want to stand up all the time,
so it may be necessary to carry a fierce dog along to keep the cat at
attention.

· Make sure your cat is clean, dirty cats will spend all the time
washing. Trying to follow a washing cat usually results in a slow roll
followed by an inverted spin. You will see that this is most unprofessional.

· Old cats are the best, young cats have nine lives, but an old used up
cat with only one life left has just as much to loose and will be more
dependable.

· Avoid stray cats. Try to get one with good character because you may
want to spend time with her.

· Beware of cowardly ducks, if the duck discovers that you are using the
cat to stay upright, she will refuse to leave the airplane without the
cat. Ducks are no better on instruments than you are.

· Get a duck with good eyes. Near sighted ducks sometimes fail to
recognize that they are on the old gauges and will go flogging into the
nearest hill. Very near sighted ducks will not realize that they have
been thrown out and will descend to the ground in a sitting position.
This is a most difficult maneuver to follow in an airplane.

· Choose your duck carefully, it is easy to confuse ducks with geese.
Many large birds look alike. While they are very competent instrument
fliers, geese seldom want to go in the same direction that you do. If
your duck seems to be taking a heading to Ireland or Sweden, you may be
safe in assuming that someone has given you a goose.

(Can't recall the source, but I've always thought it was funny :-)


--
Dudley Henriques

Ken S. Tucker writes:

Well duh, it's a magnetic compass in a fluid.

The fluid can leak out.

Is for me.

You're brave.