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Anyone with D model time, is long retired, or dead.
Not true. There a few "tall tail" guys around. They're all O-6 or above. BUFDRVR "Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips everyone on Bear Creek" |
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New York should have AAA and SAM batteries, like most third world
countries. There should be no way an airplane can enter New York City at high speed that isn't identified. Any aircraft at the speeds given, at such a low altitude should be splashed before they enter a center of commerce. I would have NYC ringed by Patriot batteries, and anything above 250 knots that isn't on a flight plan should be terminated. Error on the side of those on the ground. Using this criteria, I would have been shot down in the Spring of '97 (I think ??) due to no fault of my own, or anyone on my jet. BUFDRVR "Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips everyone on Bear Creek" |
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"Mike Marron" wrote I'm the one asking the questions, here. You have to take into consideration my other comments (not merely the one paragraph above to which you've responded). Once again, I said: ************************************************** ******************* The original poster asked a reasonable question and I was hoping that someone such as yourself on active duty would've provided a reasonable answer by now. Since I am not in the military I can only speculate but it's obvious that the USAF dropped the ball on 9/11 BIG time! Don't get me wrong, I realize that after the wall came down in 1989 the USAF didn't have fighters sitting at the ready all over the U.S. pre-armed with missiles and pilots just waiting to shoot down domestic airliners that have been hijacked by "Islamic ****s" ($1 to Juvat). Having said that, to this day I too am confounded by the apparent ineptness of the USAF (and especially the American intelligence community) both of whom utterly failed to prevent the apocalyptic death and destruction of 9/11. Nowadays, when we're told of F-16's and -15's flying CAP over major U.S. cities post-9/11 -- the first thing that springs to mind is the old adage, "Closing the barn door after the horse has gotten out..." ************************************************** ****************** It appears that you believe the USAF "dropped the ball", and "utterly failed to prevent the apocalyptic death and destruction of 9/11." Again..I ask: How so? Pete I saw no 'question' in your original post. |
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Mike came back with:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the USAF an integral part of the intelligence community? If yes, then doesn't the USAF share the blame for 9/11? Yes the USAF has a place within the intelligence community, but they/it is primarily tasked with intelligence matters concerning air warfare. Before you snap back, IIRC the FBI,CIA, INS and Dept of the Treasury are primarily concerned with areas from which the attack came. Also under your accusation the Coast Guard Aux., Army, Navy, Air Force Reserve, National Guard screwed up, so did Barney Fife and the officer responsible for intelligence in the Talequah. OK PD. Under your reasoning, I am responsible for the outcome in the Unpleasantness during the SEA wargames. And no, I was not an intelligence type, just your ordinary navigator, but one bomb might have missed the Command Staff of the Vietnamese Freedom Loving Good Guys. Enough of your urinating contest Mike, I'm gong to the house. oxmoron1 Under your |
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"Pete" wrote:
"Mike Marron" wrote: I'm the one asking the questions, here. You have to take into consideration my other comments (not merely the one paragraph above to which you've responded). Once again, I said: ************************************************** ******************* The original poster asked a reasonable question and I was hoping that someone such as yourself on active duty would've provided a reasonable answer by now. Since I am not in the military I can only speculate but it's obvious that the USAF dropped the ball on 9/11 BIG time! Don't get me wrong, I realize that after the wall came down in 1989 the USAF didn't have fighters sitting at the ready all over the U.S. pre-armed with missiles and pilots just waiting to shoot down domestic airliners that have been hijacked by "Islamic ****s" ($1 to Juvat). Having said that, to this day I too am confounded by the apparent ineptness of the USAF (and especially the American intelligence community) both of whom utterly failed to prevent the apocalyptic death and destruction of 9/11. Nowadays, when we're told of F-16's and -15's flying CAP over major U.S. cities post-9/11 -- the first thing that springs to mind is the old adage, "Closing the barn door after the horse has gotten out..." ************************************************** ****************** It appears that you believe the USAF "dropped the ball", and "utterly failed to prevent the apocalyptic death and destruction of 9/11." Correct. Also note in my second paragraph above that I cut the USAF some slack. And as you will note in my third paragraph above, I also believe that the various U.S. intelligence agencies (CIA, NSA, FBI, etc.) were equally as negligent, inept, incompetent, etc. Again..I ask: How so? Quite simply, the USAF is in the business of defending the good ol' U.S. of A. The USAF, in addition to the USN, Army and Marine Corps along with the various civilian intelligence and national security agencies completely and totally failed to defend the good ol' U.S. of A. on 11 Sept, 2001. Or, are you implying that the USAF is exempt from sharing any blame for 9/11? |
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Gene Storey wrote: "Pete" wrote Really. So what should have been done differently? New York should have AAA and SAM batteries, like most third world countries. There should be no way an airplane can enter New York City at high speed that isn't identified. Any aircraft at the speeds given, at such a low altitude should be splashed before they enter a center of commerce. I would have NYC ringed by Patriot batteries, and anything above 250 knots that isn't on a flight plan should be terminated. Error on the side of those on the ground. Unfortunately, your post is dated January 2004. I seem to have misplaced your post from early 2001 detailing the specific threat and making your recommendations, along with the budgetary implications. Of course, you also advocated similar precautions for ALL large US cities, didn't you? I am sure the congressional delegations from states such as Illinois and California would have had some input. Could you favor us with a copy of your pre 9/11 prescriptions? Bob McKellar |
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"Pete" wrote Really. So what should have been done differently? New York should have AAA and SAM batteries, like most third world countries. There should be no way an airplane can enter New York City at high speed that isn't identified. Any aircraft at the speeds given, at such a low altitude should be splashed before they enter a center of commerce. I would have NYC ringed by Patriot batteries, and anything above 250 knots that isn't on a flight plan should be terminated. Error on the side of those on the ground. Hmmmm, Afraid all the Nike sites were sold.... Bad idea then, bad idea now. Pugs |
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OXMORON1 wrote:
Mike Marron wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the USAF an integral part of the intelligence community? If yes, then doesn't the USAF share the blame for 9/11? Yes the USAF has a place within the intelligence community, but they/it is primarily tasked with intelligence matters concerning air warfare. Don't look now, but since 9/11 the USAF has been flying CAP over American cities. Now, why do you s'pose that is? Before you snap back, IIRC the FBI,CIA, INS and Dept of the Treasury are primarily concerned with areas from which the attack came. So, the USAF is exempt from any blame whatsoever for the 9/11 attacks? Also under your accusation the Coast Guard Aux., Army, Navy, Air Force Reserve, National Guard screwed up, so did Barney Fife and the officer responsible for intelligence in the Talequah. OK PD. Under your reasoning, I am responsible for the outcome in the Unpleasantness during the SEA wargames. And no, I was not an intelligence type, just your ordinary navigator, but one bomb might have missed the Command Staff of the Vietnamese Freedom Loving Good Guys. You can continue to misconstrue what I wrote and put words in my mouth, but my contention is simply that the USAF, along with the various civilian U.S. intelligence agencies, dropped the ball BIG time on 9/11. Enough of your urinating contest Mike, I'm gong to the house. Huh? You consider THIS is ****ing contest??! Better remove those rose-colored AF glasses before you get home lest you miss the mark and pee all over the wife's camode! |
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"Gene Storey" wrote in message news:2y1Lb.9463$6l1.3157@okepread03... Anyone with D model time, is long retired, or dead. Guess I dated myself, huh? 43MMS Anderson AFB 1977-78 |
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