Grandmother Goes Down at the Pole

("Nelly" wrote)
I am going to apologise to any prudes here first off for either my
weird sense of humour or my gutter mind, I can't work out which. The
reason for my apology is the rather ambiguous subject header.


The Grandmother header

I accept your gutter mind, .....I mean your apologies. g

--
Montblack
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 23:37:08 GMT, Jerry Springer
wrote:

One other thing why don't you go to this site, read all of the links
then come back and tell us where he refused top buy fuel???? I await your answer.
http://www.southpolestation.com/news/rv4/rv4.html

Whilst you're waiting, why don't you simply point to links that
support your assertion about my post ( which didn't make the claim
he refused to pay for fuel ) " Once again another armchair quarterback
that does not know what they are talking about. "

Bruce Hamilton

Bruce Hamilton wrote:

On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 23:37:08 GMT, Jerry Springer
wrote:


One other thing why don't you go to this site, read all of the links
then come back and tell us where he refused top buy fuel???? I await your answer.
http://www.southpolestation.com/news/rv4/rv4.html


Whilst you're waiting, why don't you simply point to links that
support your assertion about my post ( which didn't make the claim
he refused to pay for fuel ) " Once again another armchair quarterback
that does not know what they are talking about. "

Bruce Hamilton

Bruce you base your reasons on what you have read, I base my reasons on talking
to a person that talked to Jon and his crew personally. I am sure that the two
well never meet in the middle as each has their own agenda.
I suppose I can never prove you wrong any more than you can prove me wrong.

I am going to apologise to any prudes here first off for either my
weird sense of humour or my gutter mind, I can't work out which. The
reason for my apology is the rather ambiguous subject header. The
little snippet at the end tends to lend support as well.

That also struck me immediately. I thought that we were going to be
redirected to alt.binaries.pictures . . . . . . . .


--

Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Almost Instrument
Cessna 172H C-GICE

On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 00:20:49 GMT, Jerry Springer
wrote:

Bruce Hamilton wrote:
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 23:37:08 GMT, Jerry Springer
wrote:
One other thing why don't you go to this site, read all of the links
then come back and tell us where he refused top buy fuel???? I await your answer.
http://www.southpolestation.com/news/rv4/rv4.html
Whilst you're waiting, why don't you simply point to links that
support your assertion about my post ( which didn't make the claim
he refused to pay for fuel ) " Once again another armchair quarterback
that does not know what they are talking about. "

Bruce you base your reasons on what you have read, I base my reasons on talking
to a person that talked to Jon and his crew personally.

Sorry, yet another assumption. It's not only based on what I read, the
person I share my office with has just flown back from Scott Base last
Thursday, after spending six weeks at a remote station on the ice.
Obviously he only heard all the details when he returned to Scott
Base, but the comments he heard all reinforce the duplicity and
stupidity of Mr Johanson.

I am sure that the two well never meet in the middle as each has their own agenda.

What agenda is that?. You claimed I didn't know what I was talking
about. Fine, show me where I was wrong. I've provided some publicly-
available sources for the various pronoucements, surely you can do the
same - after all Mr Johanson and his partner weren't actually
shrinking violets when it came to dealing with the media.

I'm sure he will put his own spin on events - but let's get real here,
he only received fuel because another adventurer ( who had honestly
and sensibily followed all the guidances about preparing for such
flights ) kindly provided some. Otherwise he would have been flying
out on a transport plane.

I suppose I can never prove you wrong any more than you can prove me wrong.

You said I didn't know what I was talking about, but Mr Johanson ended
up sitting beside a runway doing a media grovel for fuel, bad-mouthing
the authorities. Understand this, if there had been even the slighest
indication he was in danger there, those authorities would have
immediately responded will all available resources.

I don't think there is any evidence to counter the actual events.
Being an "adventurer" doesn't excuse people from responsibility and
integrity. I'm being repetitively provocative because you decided to
attack me, not the information I provided.

Bruce Hamilton

Bruce Hamilton wrote:

On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 00:20:49 GMT, Jerry Springer
wrote:


Bruce Hamilton wrote:

On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 23:37:08 GMT, Jerry Springer
wrote:

One other thing why don't you go to this site, read all of the links
then come back and tell us where he refused top buy fuel???? I await your answer.
http://www.southpolestation.com/news/rv4/rv4.html

Whilst you're waiting, why don't you simply point to links that
support your assertion about my post ( which didn't make the claim
he refused to pay for fuel ) " Once again another armchair quarterback
that does not know what they are talking about. "

Bruce you base your reasons on what you have read, I base my reasons on talking
to a person that talked to Jon and his crew personally.


Sorry, yet another assumption. It's not only based on what I read, the
person I share my office with has just flown back from Scott Base last
Thursday, after spending six weeks at a remote station on the ice.
Obviously he only heard all the details when he returned to Scott
Base, but the comments he heard all reinforce the duplicity and
stupidity of Mr Johanson.


I am sure that the two well never meet in the middle as each has their own agenda.


What agenda is that?. You claimed I didn't know what I was talking
about. Fine, show me where I was wrong. I've provided some publicly-
available sources for the various pronoucements, surely you can do the
same - after all Mr Johanson and his partner weren't actually
shrinking violets when it came to dealing with the media.

I'm sure he will put his own spin on events - but let's get real here,
he only received fuel because another adventurer ( who had honestly
and sensibily followed all the guidances about preparing for such
flights ) kindly provided some. Otherwise he would have been flying
out on a transport plane.


I suppose I can never prove you wrong any more than you can prove me wrong.


You said I didn't know what I was talking about, but Mr Johanson ended
up sitting beside a runway doing a media grovel for fuel, bad-mouthing
the authorities. Understand this, if there had been even the slighest
indication he was in danger there, those authorities would have
immediately responded will all available resources.

I don't think there is any evidence to counter the actual events.
Being an "adventurer" doesn't excuse people from responsibility and
integrity. I'm being repetitively provocative because you decided to
attack me, not the information I provided.

Bruce Hamilton
As I said before you are repeating the party line of the folks that did not
want to help him.

Point of order Mr Chairman ...

He was a bloody Aussie, not a Kiwi


"Cub Driver" wrote in message
...

It's getting awfully crowded down there (or up there, in terms of
latitude). No wonder the folks at McMurdo were so unfriendly to the
Kiwi who dropped in without enough fuel to reach his destination.

all the best -- Dan Ford
email:

see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

Ummm ...

We don't have a West Island.

He's an Aussie who started his trip from the lower part of our South Island.



Just to help your understanding of global political dynamics, the West
Island
of New Zealand is where the pilot originated, and both the NZ and US base
refused to provide Avgas because:-

In article . net,
says...


Mainlander wrote:

In article ,
says...

"Cub Driver" wrote in message
. ..

It's getting awfully crowded down there (or up there, in terms of
latitude). No wonder the folks at McMurdo were so unfriendly to the
Kiwi who dropped in without enough fuel to reach his destination.

Yes, on the other hand they are there as the guests of the taxpayers, and
shouldn't be treating Antartica as their own personal fiefdom.


Why didn't the Australian government spring to his rescue?

By the way they are accountable to taxpayers and shouldn't have to spend
thousands of dollars shipping in fuel (he refused to pay for the fuel he
was eventually offered)


Please show where he refused to pay for fuel??????

He was asked to give money to the Polly whatsit fund which had brought it
in for her flight, but he declined to do so. It cost them $8000 to ship
in their fuel.

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(Bruce Hamilton) wrote:

I think I'd believe the reported comments from a recognised
spokesperson for a reputable agency ( substantiated by various other
available commentary from other sources ) over an abusive poster on
Usenet who hasn't even provided one shred of evidence to counter the
information I provided.

Yeah, and "recognised spokespersons for reputable agencies" would
never lie or spin a story to suit their agency's agenda. Parish the
thought. And the news media will always get the story right. Face it,
you blindly accept the official line because it meshes well with your
bias in the matter.