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"Larry" wrote
Uhm- Scuse me! I don't think I heard that right. Aircraft landing on a carrier DO NOT use their brakes for any part of the arrested landing. Once they come to a full stop (slowed by the arresting wire) then and only then they use their brakes (as directed by the Yellow Shirt) to hold position. Larry...Uhm- Scuse us! The topic is a C-130 making UN-arrested landings on the Forrestal. I'll bet that he DID use the brakes. Bob Moore |
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"Larry" wrote:
snip Uhm- Scuse me! I don't think I heard that right. Aircraft landing on a carrier DO NOT use their brakes for any part of the arrested landing. Once they come to a full stop (slowed by the arresting wire) then and only then they use their brakes (as directed by the Yellow Shirt) to hold position. Larry AECS (AW/SW/MTS) USN 'Retired' Larry, didn't the 130 use prop reverse either?...or do you know?... -- -Gord. (use gordon in email) |
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Bob Moore wrote in
. 122: "Larry" wrote Uhm- Scuse me! I don't think I heard that right. Aircraft landing on a carrier DO NOT use their brakes for any part of the arrested landing. Once they come to a full stop (slowed by the arresting wire) then and only then they use their brakes (as directed by the Yellow Shirt) to hold position. Larry...Uhm- Scuse us! The topic is a C-130 making UN-arrested landings on the Forrestal. I'll bet that he DID use the brakes. Bob Moore Yes, they certainly did. That was the singular mod to the bird for the project, beefing up the brakes. I worked for someone who was in the squadron at the time and he gave us lots of background on the whole deal. Dave in San Diego |
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On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:00:45 -0800, "Larry"
wrote: Aircraft landing on a carrier DO NOT use their brakes for any part of the arrested landing. Once they come to a full stop (slowed by the arresting But if you READ - you'll see this is all in reference to a C-130 and the oh-so-famous KC-130F landing on a carrier. In that case the aircraft MUST have used brakes, since it DID NOT make an arrested landing. -- Andrew Toppan --- --- "I speak only for myself" "Haze Gray & Underway" - Naval History, DANFS, World Navies Today, Photo Features, Military FAQs, and more - http://www.hazegray.org/ |
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"William W. Plummer" wrote in message news:h7mwd.768167$8_6.703195@attbi_s04... Iwan Bogels wrote: There was a famous experiment to prove that a fully loaded C-130 could land on a carrier. The roll-out was 270 feet. Thrust reversers were used before it was on the deck. I'll bet those landings left something to be desired for comfort. I think I can find a short video of the landings and will be happy to post it if someone can tell me where. I don't think that pitch was reversed in those trials. |
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"C.D.Damron" wrote
I don't think that pitch was reversed in those trials. It sure-as-hell was! I observed the official USN film at the time and the narator stated that the co-pilot had used the over-ride for the reverse lock-out and reversed the engines at about 3' above the deck while the pilot flew to touchdown. Bob Moore Naval Aviator 1958-1967 |
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"C.D.Damron" wrote:
"William W. Plummer" wrote in message news:h7mwd.768167$8_6.703195@attbi_s04... Iwan Bogels wrote: There was a famous experiment to prove that a fully loaded C-130 could land on a carrier. The roll-out was 270 feet. Thrust reversers were used before it was on the deck. I'll bet those landings left something to be desired for comfort. I think I can find a short video of the landings and will be happy to post it if someone can tell me where. I don't think that pitch was reversed in those trials. I don't know but it could have been after the a/c was on the deck and even before with some futzing with the squat switch circuits that normally prevent that. I've seen both of the tapes. How do you know that they didn't use reverse? -- -Gord. (use gordon in email) |
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On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 23:37:22 GMT, Gord Beaman
wrote: (John Dallman) wrote: In article h7mwd.768167$8_6.703195@attbi_s04, (William W. Plummer) wrote: Iwan Bogels wrote: Forward pointing rockets were installed to provide reverse thrust during landing, as well as downward pointed rockets to cushon the landing. There was a famous experiment to prove that a fully loaded C-130 could land on a carrier. The roll-out was 270 feet. Thrust reversers were used before it was on the deck. On a carrier deck, you can at least rely on the wheels for some of your braking. On a soccer (=mud) field, presumably you have to assume you'll just slide, and won't get any braking? --- John Dallman, , HTML mail is treated as probable spam. Well, I'd think that wheel brakes aren't gonna do much, most of the braking is provided by the prop reverse anyway, but in the soccer field they needed humungous braking which even the prop reverse couldn't supply so they tried those high output rocket motors. I'll bet there was a pretty good wind over the deck for that carrier trial, too. Bill Kambic |
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"Gord Beaman" wrote in message ... "C.D.Damron" wrote: I don't know but it could have been after the a/c was on the deck and even before with some futzing with the squat switch circuits that normally prevent that. I've seen both of the tapes. How do you know that they didn't use reverse? I meant reversed pitch prior to touchdown, but I could be wrong. I recall reading that they reversed pitch upon touchdown. I don't recall the source being definitive. |
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