Is Chris Thomas a Real Pilot?

"Stan Kap" wrote in message
...
Hey Barnraised Boob,
SNIP. I also teach technical physics part time at a major university.
SNIP
Stan K.



AHHH...a college teacher...Much becomes clear.

He only hates Bush because everyone he knows hates Bush. It's part of the
university culture these days.
Talk about people who can't think for themselves!

By the way, how come Kerry gets credit for 4 months in combat? He took
command of his boat on
30 January , and gave it up on 13 March. That's 6 weeks. The rest of the
time was training (although
he did manage a purple heart for a self inflicted wound during this training
period). Even so, he did
volunteer for combat...that has to count for something.

Now, standing next to the traitorous bitch Hanoi Jane makes him a traitor.
He also has to be guilty of either
Lying to Congress (which makes him a perjurer and thus a felon) ...Or did he
tell the truth (which makes him
a war criminal)? Either way, he is not even legally eligible to be
president.

"Ron Webb" blahblahblah in message
...


Yeah, like Billy Bee Badd really got an e-mail he posted in RAH along with
his shilling and wondering whether big, tall, short, fat, scum Chris Thomas
is a pilot.

Here's something to consider, while you do another wet layup or rivet that
trailing edge:

Aug. 27 - Karl Rove makes Chuck Colson look like a girly man. Colson
didnt have the audacity to go after John Kerrys military record when
President Nixon was looking for dirt on antiwar leaders. After
researching Kerrys medals, Colson, who now heads a prison ministry
program, backed off. Maybe Chuck knew he was going to find Jesus back
then because he had a degree of shame, says a senior staffer to a
Senate Republican.

The Kerry campaign thinks it has succeeded in discrediting the
scurrilous attack on Kerrys military service, but Rove got what he
wanted. Instead of talking about a failed war in Iraq and a new report
that shows 1.3 million more Americans living in poverty, were debating
what happened in the Mekong Delta in 1968. The strategy came straight
from the West Wing, says the GOP staffer. Nobody should be confused.
Asked to explain, this Republican says Rove is smart enough to keep
technical distance. But all it takes is a well-placed wink to activate
a web of Bush family hit men, confidantes and deep-pocket donors. They
know what to doits like sleeper cells that get activated, he says,
likening the players to political terrorists.

They sprang into action in 2000 when Bush was running in the primaries
against John McCain. After getting beat in New Hampshire by McCain,
Bushs first event was at Bob Jones University in South Carolina.
Standing next to Bush on the stage was a veteran who went right at
McCain, questioning his Vietnam service while Bush remained silent. A
whisper campaign told voters that McCain had a black child. (The
McCains have an adopted daughter from Bangladesh.) McCain lost the
primary; the veteran became a Bush administration appointee.

The charges advanced by the so-called Swift Boat Veterans for Truth
would never hold up in a court of law. These men would have us
believe, contrary to Navy records and countless eye witnesses, that
Kerry did not act heroically and had a grand plan to manipulate medals
from the military.

Too bad Bob Dole got hauled into this mess. Once known principally as
a GOP hatchet man, Dole had rehabbed himself over the years to war
hero and sardonic wit. Then over the weekend he said all Swift Boat
Veterans for Truth cant be Republican liars. Its the old
where-theres-smoke-theres-fire routine. Why would Dole allow himself
to be used like that? He must have forgotten how Bushs father provoked
him during the 1988 GOP primaries with sleazy allegations. When Vice
President Bush approached him on the Senate floor, Dole blurted out,
Quit lying about my record. The remark helped sink Doles chance for
the nomination.

My Republican mole on Capitol Hill says the green light has gone out
to Republicans to do whatever it takes to get Bush elected. This is
the way we hold onto power, he says with disgust. Pollster John Zogbys
survey of battleground states taken last week as the Swift Boat
controversy raged shows no fundamental change in the race. Its running
its course, and it may boomerang, he says of the attack on Kerrys
heroism. The fact that the sleeper network has gone nuclear is
evidence of Bushs weakness, not his strength, says Zogby. If [the Bush
team] werent seeing serious damage,
they wouldnt be hitting so hard so early. The president is on the
ropes; theres no other way of looking at it.

A lot of Vietnam vets will never forgive Kerry for accusing them of
committing atrocities. Kerry has conceded some hyperbole in his 1971
Senate testimony, but didnt the Toledo Blade win a Pulitzer this year
for uncovering Vietnam-era atrocities? Have we forgotten about the My
Lai massacre and Zippo lighters burning down hooches? Maybe a few
masochists want to debate whether Vietnam was a noble cause, but
58,000 of our soldiers died. The war was a waste whether you were on
the right or the left. Kerry leveled most of his criticism at
political leaders who didnt tell the truth, and who sanctioned search
and destroy missions that invited war crimes. By the time Kerry
testified in 1971, 44,000 American soldiers were already dead. The war
had almost no popular support, yet another 14,000 lives would be lost.

The irony is that Kerry does have courage--the very quality this
smarmy campaign seeks to denigrate. The rap on him is that he is slow
to battle, that it takes a near-death experience to get him fully
engaged. By assailing his heroism, the GOP may have done Kerry a
favor. Maybe theyve awakened a sleeping giant.

Eleanor Clift, August 27, 2004

To me, it sounds like someone who doesn't know about
aviation writing about it.

That was my reaction as well.

It has a story about Bush going flying in a rented Cessna 172, and
supposedly not being able to fly it properly. That is interesting, since he
took his basic flight training in a T-41 Mescelero (that's a Cessna 172 to
us civilians).

So here we have a story written by a non pilot, recalling an incident 20
years previous, and judging the man's pilot skills. Or maybe he's just a
political enemy who wants to make Bush look bad. That certainy makes more
sense than the story as told.

Then there's the part about him scaring everyone by "stalling the ENGINE".

....Is it Bull**** yet???

That would be your limitation, not his (and the F-102 is a heck of a
lot faster than 400mph as well). The info I have seen says he had 600
hours of flight time by the time he left the NG, and was rated in the
top 5% of the pilots by his commander.

Go to:
http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ulti...c/32/2181.html

for a good summary, if you would prefer to know the truth of the
matter rather than remaining in the fantasy land you're living in now.
Your call... perhaps you enjoy remaining (and appearing) so naive.

Mark Hickey
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Is the above, fact or fiction?
Read this and then decide.....

In February, when the White House made public hundreds of pages of
President Bush's military records, White House officials repeatedly
insisted that the records prove that Bush fulfilled his military
commitment in the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam War.

But Bush fell well short of meeting his military obligation, a Globe
reexamination of the records shows: Twice during his Guard service --
first when he joined in May 1968, and again before he transferred out
of his unit in mid-1973 to attend Harvard Business School -- Bush
signed documents pledging to meet training commitments or face a
punitive call-up to active duty.

He didn't meet the commitments, or face the punishment, the records
show. The 1973 document has been overlooked in news media accounts.
The 1968 document has received scant notice.

On July 30, 1973, shortly before he moved from Houston to Cambridge,
Bush signed a document that declared, ''It is my responsibility to
locate and be assigned to another Reserve forces unit or mobilization
augmentation position. If I fail to do so, I am subject to involuntary
order to active duty for up to 24 months. . . " Under Guard
regulations, Bush had 60 days to locate a new unit.

But Bush never signed up with a Boston-area unit. In 1999, Bush
spokesman Dan Bartlett told the Washington Post that Bush finished his
six-year commitment at a Boston area Air Force Reserve unit after he
left Houston. Not so, Bartlett now concedes. ''I must have misspoke,"
Bartlett, who is now the White House communications director, said in
a recent interview.

And early in his Guard service, on May 27, 1968, Bush signed a
''statement of understanding" pledging to achieve ''satisfactory
participation" that included attendance at 24 days of annual weekend
duty -- usually involving two weekend days each month -- and 15 days
of annual active duty. ''I understand that I may be ordered to active
duty for a period not to exceed 24 months for unsatisfactory
participation," the statement reads.

Yet Bush, a fighter-interceptor pilot, performed no service for one
six-month period in 1972 and for another period of almost three months
in 1973, the records show.

The reexamination of Bush's records by the Globe, along with
interviews with military specialists who have reviewed regulations
from that era, show that Bush's attendance at required training drills
was so irregular that his superiors could have disciplined him or
ordered him to active duty in 1972, 1973, or 1974. But they did
neither. In fact, Bush's unit certified in late 1973 that his service
had been ''satisfactory" -- just four months after Bush's commanding
officer wrote that Bush had not been seen at his unit for the previous
12 months.

Bartlett, in a statement to the Globe last night, sidestepped
questions about Bush's record. In the statement, Bartlett asserted
again that Bush would not have been honorably discharged if he had not
''met all his requirements." In a follow-up e-mail, Bartlett declared:
''And if he hadn't met his requirements you point to, they would have
called him up for active duty for up to two years."

That assertion by the White House spokesman infuriates retired Army
Colonel Gerald A. Lechliter, one of a number of retired military
officers who have studied Bush's records and old National Guard
regulations, and reached different conclusions.

''He broke his contract with the United States government -- without
any adverse consequences. And the Texas Air National Guard was
complicit in allowing this to happen," Lechliter said in an interview
yesterday. ''He was a pilot. It cost the government a million dollars
to train him to fly. So he should have been held to an even higher
standard."

Even retired Lieutenant Colonel Albert C. Lloyd Jr., a former Texas
Air National Guard personnel chief who vouched for Bush at the White
House's request in February, agreed that Bush walked away from his
obligation to join a reserve unit in the Boston area when he moved to
Cambridge in September 1973. By not joining a unit in Massachusetts,
Lloyd said in an interview last month, Bush ''took a chance that he
could be called up for active duty. But the war was winding down, and
he probably knew that the Air Force was not enforcing the penalty."

But Lloyd said that singling out Bush for criticism is unfair. ''There
were hundreds of guys like him who did the same thing," he said.

Lawrence J. Korb, an assistant secretary of defense for manpower and
reserve affairs in the Reagan administration, said after studying many
of the documents that it is clear to him that Bush ''gamed the
system." And he agreed with Lloyd that Bush was not alone in doing so.
''If I cheat on my income tax and don't get caught, I'm still cheating
on my income tax," Korb said.

After his own review, Korb said Bush could have been ordered to active
duty for missing more than 10 percent of his required drills in any
given year. Bush, according to the records, fell shy of that
obligation in two successive fiscal years.

Korb said Bush also made a commitment to complete his six-year
obligation when he moved to Cambridge, a transfer the Guard often
allowed to accommodate Guardsmen who had to move elsewhere. ''He had a
responsibility to find a unit in Boston and attend drills," said Korb,
who is now affiliated with a liberal Washington think tank. ''I see no
evidence or indication in the documents that he was given permission
to forgo training before the end of his obligation. If he signed that
document, he should have fulfilled his obligation."

The documents Bush signed only add to evidence that the future
president -- then the son of Houston's congressman -- received
favorable treatment when he joined the Guard after graduating from
Yale in 1968. Ben Barnes, who was speaker of the Texas House of
Representatives in 1968, said in a deposition in 2000 that he placed a
call to get young Bush a coveted slot in the Guard at the request of a
Bush family friend.

Bush was given an automatic commission as a second lieutenant, and
dispatched to flight school in Georgia for 13 months. In June 1970,
after five additional months of specialized training in F-102
fighter-interceptor, Bush began what should have been a four-year
assignment with the 111th Fighter-Interceptor Squadron.

In May 1972, Bush was given permission to move to Alabama temporarily
to work on a US Senate campaign, with the provision that he do
equivalent training with a unit in Montgomery. But Bush's service
records do not show him logging any service in Alabama until October
of that year.

And even that service is in doubt. Since the Globe first reported
Bush's spotty attendance record in May 2000, no one has come forward
with any credible recollection of having witnessed Bush performing
guard service in Alabama or after he returned to Houston in 1973.
While Bush was in Alabama, he was removed from flight status for
failing to take his annual flight physical in July 1972. On May 1,
1973, Bush's superior officers wrote that they could not complete his
annual performance review because he had not been observed at the
Houston base during the prior 12 months.

Although the records of Bush's service in 1973 are contradictory, some
of them suggest that he did a flurry of drills in 1973 in Houston -- a
weekend in April and then 38 days of training crammed into May, June,
and July. But Lechliter, the retired colonel, concluded after
reviewing National Guard regulations that Bush should not have
received credit -- or pay -- for many of those days either. The
regulations, Lechliter and others said, required that any scheduled
drills that Bush missed be made up either within 15 days before or 30
days after the date of the drill.

Lechliter said the records push him to conclude that Bush had little
interest in fulfilling his obligation, and his superiors preferred to
look the other way. Others agree. ''It appears that no one wanted to
hold him accountable," said retired Major General Paul A. Weaver Jr.,
who retired in 2002 as the Pentagon's director of the Air National
Guard.


© Copyright 2004 Globe Newspaper Company.

Forget Alabama. The news today is that Bush transfered to
Massachusetts and not even the Bush campaign claims that he fulfilled
his service there. Not only didn't he fulfill his service, he didn't
even show up. How many times can a man go AWOL during wartime and not
get punished. Evidently, at least twice, if you are a Bush.

Ah, the benifit to being connected to a corrupt political family.

Barnyard BOb - wrote in message . ..
That would be your limitation, not his (and the F-102 is a heck of a
lot faster than 400mph as well). The info I have seen says he had 600
hours of flight time by the time he left the NG, and was rated in the
top 5% of the pilots by his commander.

Go to:
http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ulti...c/32/2181.html

for a good summary, if you would prefer to know the truth of the
matter rather than remaining in the fantasy land you're living in now.
Your call... perhaps you enjoy remaining (and appearing) so naive.

Mark Hickey
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Is the above, fact or fiction?
Read this and then decide.....

In February, when the White House made public hundreds of pages of
President Bush's military records, White House officials repeatedly
insisted that the records prove that Bush fulfilled his military
commitment in the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam War.

But Bush fell well short of meeting his military obligation, a Globe
reexamination of the records shows: Twice during his Guard service --
first when he joined in May 1968, and again before he transferred out
of his unit in mid-1973 to attend Harvard Business School -- Bush
signed documents pledging to meet training commitments or face a
punitive call-up to active duty.

He didn't meet the commitments, or face the punishment, the records
show. The 1973 document has been overlooked in news media accounts.
The 1968 document has received scant notice.

On July 30, 1973, shortly before he moved from Houston to Cambridge,
Bush signed a document that declared, ''It is my responsibility to
locate and be assigned to another Reserve forces unit or mobilization
augmentation position. If I fail to do so, I am subject to involuntary
order to active duty for up to 24 months. . . " Under Guard
regulations, Bush had 60 days to locate a new unit.

But Bush never signed up with a Boston-area unit. In 1999, Bush
spokesman Dan Bartlett told the Washington Post that Bush finished his
six-year commitment at a Boston area Air Force Reserve unit after he
left Houston. Not so, Bartlett now concedes. ''I must have misspoke,"
Bartlett, who is now the White House communications director, said in
a recent interview.

And early in his Guard service, on May 27, 1968, Bush signed a
''statement of understanding" pledging to achieve ''satisfactory
participation" that included attendance at 24 days of annual weekend
duty -- usually involving two weekend days each month -- and 15 days
of annual active duty. ''I understand that I may be ordered to active
duty for a period not to exceed 24 months for unsatisfactory
participation," the statement reads.

Yet Bush, a fighter-interceptor pilot, performed no service for one
six-month period in 1972 and for another period of almost three months
in 1973, the records show.

The reexamination of Bush's records by the Globe, along with
interviews with military specialists who have reviewed regulations
from that era, show that Bush's attendance at required training drills
was so irregular that his superiors could have disciplined him or
ordered him to active duty in 1972, 1973, or 1974. But they did
neither. In fact, Bush's unit certified in late 1973 that his service
had been ''satisfactory" -- just four months after Bush's commanding
officer wrote that Bush had not been seen at his unit for the previous
12 months.

Bartlett, in a statement to the Globe last night, sidestepped
questions about Bush's record. In the statement, Bartlett asserted
again that Bush would not have been honorably discharged if he had not
''met all his requirements." In a follow-up e-mail, Bartlett declared:
''And if he hadn't met his requirements you point to, they would have
called him up for active duty for up to two years."

That assertion by the White House spokesman infuriates retired Army
Colonel Gerald A. Lechliter, one of a number of retired military
officers who have studied Bush's records and old National Guard
regulations, and reached different conclusions.

''He broke his contract with the United States government -- without
any adverse consequences. And the Texas Air National Guard was
complicit in allowing this to happen," Lechliter said in an interview
yesterday. ''He was a pilot. It cost the government a million dollars
to train him to fly. So he should have been held to an even higher
standard."

Even retired Lieutenant Colonel Albert C. Lloyd Jr., a former Texas
Air National Guard personnel chief who vouched for Bush at the White
House's request in February, agreed that Bush walked away from his
obligation to join a reserve unit in the Boston area when he moved to
Cambridge in September 1973. By not joining a unit in Massachusetts,
Lloyd said in an interview last month, Bush ''took a chance that he
could be called up for active duty. But the war was winding down, and
he probably knew that the Air Force was not enforcing the penalty."

But Lloyd said that singling out Bush for criticism is unfair. ''There
were hundreds of guys like him who did the same thing," he said.

Lawrence J. Korb, an assistant secretary of defense for manpower and
reserve affairs in the Reagan administration, said after studying many
of the documents that it is clear to him that Bush ''gamed the
system." And he agreed with Lloyd that Bush was not alone in doing so.
''If I cheat on my income tax and don't get caught, I'm still cheating
on my income tax," Korb said.

After his own review, Korb said Bush could have been ordered to active
duty for missing more than 10 percent of his required drills in any
given year. Bush, according to the records, fell shy of that
obligation in two successive fiscal years.

Korb said Bush also made a commitment to complete his six-year
obligation when he moved to Cambridge, a transfer the Guard often
allowed to accommodate Guardsmen who had to move elsewhere. ''He had a
responsibility to find a unit in Boston and attend drills," said Korb,
who is now affiliated with a liberal Washington think tank. ''I see no
evidence or indication in the documents that he was given permission
to forgo training before the end of his obligation. If he signed that
document, he should have fulfilled his obligation."

The documents Bush signed only add to evidence that the future
president -- then the son of Houston's congressman -- received
favorable treatment when he joined the Guard after graduating from
Yale in 1968. Ben Barnes, who was speaker of the Texas House of
Representatives in 1968, said in a deposition in 2000 that he placed a
call to get young Bush a coveted slot in the Guard at the request of a
Bush family friend.

Bush was given an automatic commission as a second lieutenant, and
dispatched to flight school in Georgia for 13 months. In June 1970,
after five additional months of specialized training in F-102
fighter-interceptor, Bush began what should have been a four-year
assignment with the 111th Fighter-Interceptor Squadron.

In May 1972, Bush was given permission to move to Alabama temporarily
to work on a US Senate campaign, with the provision that he do
equivalent training with a unit in Montgomery. But Bush's service
records do not show him logging any service in Alabama until October
of that year.

And even that service is in doubt. Since the Globe first reported
Bush's spotty attendance record in May 2000, no one has come forward
with any credible recollection of having witnessed Bush performing
guard service in Alabama or after he returned to Houston in 1973.
While Bush was in Alabama, he was removed from flight status for
failing to take his annual flight physical in July 1972. On May 1,
1973, Bush's superior officers wrote that they could not complete his
annual performance review because he had not been observed at the
Houston base during the prior 12 months.

Although the records of Bush's service in 1973 are contradictory, some
of them suggest that he did a flurry of drills in 1973 in Houston -- a
weekend in April and then 38 days of training crammed into May, June,
and July. But Lechliter, the retired colonel, concluded after
reviewing National Guard regulations that Bush should not have
received credit -- or pay -- for many of those days either. The
regulations, Lechliter and others said, required that any scheduled
drills that Bush missed be made up either within 15 days before or 30
days after the date of the drill.

Lechliter said the records push him to conclude that Bush had little
interest in fulfilling his obligation, and his superiors preferred to
look the other way. Others agree. ''It appears that no one wanted to
hold him accountable," said retired Major General Paul A. Weaver Jr.,
who retired in 2002 as the Pentagon's director of the Air National
Guard.


© Copyright 2004 Globe Newspaper Company.

My recollection is that Bush went AWOL one other time that people tend to
forget. While the civilians were dealing with the aftermath of 911, bush
left Florida hell-bent for leather...not to his post...but westward for
safety under fighter escort...later to claim a "radar lock" made him do it.
Of course, the VP was still around...or more correctly, underground.
"Tammy" wrote in message
om...
Forget Alabama. The news today is that Bush transfered to
Massachusetts and not even the Bush campaign claims that he fulfilled
his service there. Not only didn't he fulfill his service, he didn't
even show up. How many times can a man go AWOL during wartime and not
get punished. Evidently, at least twice, if you are a Bush.

Ah, the benifit to being connected to a corrupt political family.

Barnyard BOb - wrote in message
. ..
That would be your limitation, not his (and the F-102 is a heck of a
lot faster than 400mph as well). The info I have seen says he had 600
hours of flight time by the time he left the NG, and was rated in the
top 5% of the pilots by his commander.

Go to:
http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ulti...c/32/2181.html

for a good summary, if you would prefer to know the truth of the
matter rather than remaining in the fantasy land you're living in now.
Your call... perhaps you enjoy remaining (and appearing) so naive.

Mark Hickey
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Is the above, fact or fiction?
Read this and then decide.....

In February, when the White House made public hundreds of pages of
President Bush's military records, White House officials repeatedly
insisted that the records prove that Bush fulfilled his military
commitment in the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam War.

But Bush fell well short of meeting his military obligation, a Globe
reexamination of the records shows: Twice during his Guard service --
first when he joined in May 1968, and again before he transferred out
of his unit in mid-1973 to attend Harvard Business School -- Bush
signed documents pledging to meet training commitments or face a
punitive call-up to active duty.

He didn't meet the commitments, or face the punishment, the records
show. The 1973 document has been overlooked in news media accounts.
The 1968 document has received scant notice.

On July 30, 1973, shortly before he moved from Houston to Cambridge,
Bush signed a document that declared, ''It is my responsibility to
locate and be assigned to another Reserve forces unit or mobilization
augmentation position. If I fail to do so, I am subject to involuntary
order to active duty for up to 24 months. . . " Under Guard
regulations, Bush had 60 days to locate a new unit.

But Bush never signed up with a Boston-area unit. In 1999, Bush
spokesman Dan Bartlett told the Washington Post that Bush finished his
six-year commitment at a Boston area Air Force Reserve unit after he
left Houston. Not so, Bartlett now concedes. ''I must have misspoke,"
Bartlett, who is now the White House communications director, said in
a recent interview.

And early in his Guard service, on May 27, 1968, Bush signed a
''statement of understanding" pledging to achieve ''satisfactory
participation" that included attendance at 24 days of annual weekend
duty -- usually involving two weekend days each month -- and 15 days
of annual active duty. ''I understand that I may be ordered to active
duty for a period not to exceed 24 months for unsatisfactory
participation," the statement reads.

Yet Bush, a fighter-interceptor pilot, performed no service for one
six-month period in 1972 and for another period of almost three months
in 1973, the records show.

The reexamination of Bush's records by the Globe, along with
interviews with military specialists who have reviewed regulations
from that era, show that Bush's attendance at required training drills
was so irregular that his superiors could have disciplined him or
ordered him to active duty in 1972, 1973, or 1974. But they did
neither. In fact, Bush's unit certified in late 1973 that his service
had been ''satisfactory" -- just four months after Bush's commanding
officer wrote that Bush had not been seen at his unit for the previous
12 months.

Bartlett, in a statement to the Globe last night, sidestepped
questions about Bush's record. In the statement, Bartlett asserted
again that Bush would not have been honorably discharged if he had not
''met all his requirements." In a follow-up e-mail, Bartlett declared:
''And if he hadn't met his requirements you point to, they would have
called him up for active duty for up to two years."

That assertion by the White House spokesman infuriates retired Army
Colonel Gerald A. Lechliter, one of a number of retired military
officers who have studied Bush's records and old National Guard
regulations, and reached different conclusions.

''He broke his contract with the United States government -- without
any adverse consequences. And the Texas Air National Guard was
complicit in allowing this to happen," Lechliter said in an interview
yesterday. ''He was a pilot. It cost the government a million dollars
to train him to fly. So he should have been held to an even higher
standard."

Even retired Lieutenant Colonel Albert C. Lloyd Jr., a former Texas
Air National Guard personnel chief who vouched for Bush at the White
House's request in February, agreed that Bush walked away from his
obligation to join a reserve unit in the Boston area when he moved to
Cambridge in September 1973. By not joining a unit in Massachusetts,
Lloyd said in an interview last month, Bush ''took a chance that he
could be called up for active duty. But the war was winding down, and
he probably knew that the Air Force was not enforcing the penalty."

But Lloyd said that singling out Bush for criticism is unfair. ''There
were hundreds of guys like him who did the same thing," he said.

Lawrence J. Korb, an assistant secretary of defense for manpower and
reserve affairs in the Reagan administration, said after studying many
of the documents that it is clear to him that Bush ''gamed the
system." And he agreed with Lloyd that Bush was not alone in doing so.
''If I cheat on my income tax and don't get caught, I'm still cheating
on my income tax," Korb said.

After his own review, Korb said Bush could have been ordered to active
duty for missing more than 10 percent of his required drills in any
given year. Bush, according to the records, fell shy of that
obligation in two successive fiscal years.

Korb said Bush also made a commitment to complete his six-year
obligation when he moved to Cambridge, a transfer the Guard often
allowed to accommodate Guardsmen who had to move elsewhere. ''He had a
responsibility to find a unit in Boston and attend drills," said Korb,
who is now affiliated with a liberal Washington think tank. ''I see no
evidence or indication in the documents that he was given permission
to forgo training before the end of his obligation. If he signed that
document, he should have fulfilled his obligation."

The documents Bush signed only add to evidence that the future
president -- then the son of Houston's congressman -- received
favorable treatment when he joined the Guard after graduating from
Yale in 1968. Ben Barnes, who was speaker of the Texas House of
Representatives in 1968, said in a deposition in 2000 that he placed a
call to get young Bush a coveted slot in the Guard at the request of a
Bush family friend.

Bush was given an automatic commission as a second lieutenant, and
dispatched to flight school in Georgia for 13 months. In June 1970,
after five additional months of specialized training in F-102
fighter-interceptor, Bush began what should have been a four-year
assignment with the 111th Fighter-Interceptor Squadron.

In May 1972, Bush was given permission to move to Alabama temporarily
to work on a US Senate campaign, with the provision that he do
equivalent training with a unit in Montgomery. But Bush's service
records do not show him logging any service in Alabama until October
of that year.

And even that service is in doubt. Since the Globe first reported
Bush's spotty attendance record in May 2000, no one has come forward
with any credible recollection of having witnessed Bush performing
guard service in Alabama or after he returned to Houston in 1973.
While Bush was in Alabama, he was removed from flight status for
failing to take his annual flight physical in July 1972. On May 1,
1973, Bush's superior officers wrote that they could not complete his
annual performance review because he had not been observed at the
Houston base during the prior 12 months.

Although the records of Bush's service in 1973 are contradictory, some
of them suggest that he did a flurry of drills in 1973 in Houston -- a
weekend in April and then 38 days of training crammed into May, June,
and July. But Lechliter, the retired colonel, concluded after
reviewing National Guard regulations that Bush should not have
received credit -- or pay -- for many of those days either. The
regulations, Lechliter and others said, required that any scheduled
drills that Bush missed be made up either within 15 days before or 30
days after the date of the drill.

Lechliter said the records push him to conclude that Bush had little
interest in fulfilling his obligation, and his superiors preferred to
look the other way. Others agree. ''It appears that no one wanted to
hold him accountable," said retired Major General Paul A. Weaver Jr.,
who retired in 2002 as the Pentagon's director of the Air National
Guard.


© Copyright 2004 Globe Newspaper Company.

"Barnyard BOb -" wrote in message
...

Is the above, fact or fiction?
Read this and then decide.....

Ditto, BOb..........

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Begin quote:

Unlike McCain, Bush, and Gore; Kerry has adamantly refused to authorize the
release of his military records. Most think it's because of his phony battle
medals. I think the real reason is below. He was not granted an Honorable
Discharge until March 2001, almost 30 years after his ostensible service
term had ended! This is very much out of the ordinary, and highly suspect.


There are 5 classes of Discharge: Honorable, General, Other Than Honorable,

Bad Conduct, and Dishonorable. My guess is that he was Discharged in the
'70s, but not Honorably. He appealed this sometime while Clinton was doing
trouser-tricks in the Oval Office. Political pressure was applied, and the
Honorable Discharge was then granted.

His file is probably rife with reports of this, submissions and hearings on
the appeal, reports of his "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy, along with
protests that were filed with respect to his alleged valor under fire.

This will blow up in his face before October 15th.

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On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry signed a 6 year enlistment contract with
the Navy (plus a 6-month extension during wartime).

On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry also signed an Officer Candidate contract
for 6 years -- 5 years of ACTIVE duty & ACTIVE Naval Reserves, and 1 year of
inactive standby reserves (See items #4 & $5).

Because John Kerry was discharged from TOTAL ACTIVE DUTY of only 3
years and 18 days on 3 Jan. 1970, he was then required to attend 48 drills
per year, and not more than 17 days active duty for training. Kerry was
also subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Additionally, Kerry,
as a commissioned officer, was prohibited from making adverse statements
against his chain of command or statements against his country, especially
during time of war. It is also interesting to note t! hat Kerry did not
obtain an honorable discharge until Mar. 12, 2001 even though his service
obligation should have ended July 1, 1972.

Lt. John Kerry's letter of 21 Nov. 1969 asking for an early release
from active US Navy duty falsely states "My current regular period of
obligated service would be completed in December of this year."

On Jan. 3, 1970 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to the Naval Reserve
Manpower Center in Bainridge, Maryland.

Where are Kerry's Performance Records for 2 years of obligated Ready
Reserve, the 48 drills per year required and his 17 days of active duty per
year training while Kerry was in the Ready Reserves? Have these records
been released?

Has anyone ever talked to Kerry's Commanding Officer at the Naval
Reserve Center where Kerry drilled?

On 1 July 1972 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to Standby Reserve -
Inactive.
On 16 February 1978 Lt. John Kerry was discharged from US Naval
Reserve.

Below are some of the crimes Lt. Kerry USNR committed as a Ready
Reservist, while he was acting as a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the
War:

1. Lt. Kerry attended many rallies where the Vietcong flag was
displayed while our flag was desecrated, defiled, and mocked, thereby giving
aid and comfort to the enemy.
2. Lt. Kerry was involved in a meeting that voted on assassinating
members of the US Senate.
3. Lt. Kerry lied under oath against fellow soldiers before the US
Senate about crimes committed in Vietnam.
4. Lt. Kerry professed to being a war criminal on national
television, and condemned the military and the USA.
5. Lt. Kerry met with NVA and Vietcong communist leaders in Paris, in
direct violation of the UCMJ and the U.S. Constitution.

Lt. Kerry by his own words & actions violated the UCMJ and the U.S.
Code while serving as a Navy officer. Lt. Kerry stands in violation of
Article 3, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution. Lt. Kerry's 1970 meeting
with NVA Communists in Paris is in direct violation of the UCMJ's Article
104 part 904, and U.S. Code 18 U.S.C. 953. That meeting, and Kerry's
subsequent support of the communists while leading mass protests against our
military in the year that followed, also place him in direct violation of
our Constitution! 's Article 3, Section 3, which defines treason as "giving
aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare.

The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, states, "No person
shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President
and Vice-President ... having previously taken an oath . to support the
Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or
rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."


By A. L. "Steve" Nash, MAC Ret, UDT/SEAL SEAL Authentication Team -
Director AuthentiSEAL Phone 707 438 0120 "The only service where all
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"Stan Premo" wrote in message
...
My recollection is that Bush went AWOL one other time that people tend to
forget. While the civilians were dealing with the aftermath of 911, bush
left Florida hell-bent for leather...not to his post...but westward for
safety under fighter escort...later to claim a "radar lock" made him do
it.
Of course, the VP was still around...or more correctly, underground.

When I become President, remind me not to hire you as part of my
Secret Service.

HAHA, Some people just have no sense. When an attack is commited against the
USA, it is the Secret Service's JOB to get the President to a place of
reasonable safety, as with the Vice President and other leaders. It is
called "protecting the chain of command". If you have ever served this
nation in the military , you would know this.
i think the biggest thing with this election is the man who claims to be
a Democrat is not one, he is a Commie. Look at the FBI files on John Kerry,
they are public record. His going to Paris against the UCMJ and our
Constitution just proves to the beliefs of the FBI back in the early 70's. I
do not agree with alot of Bush policy but I will NEVER vote for a COMMIE! I
swore to uphold the Constitution against all enemies foreign and
domestic....John "Commie" Kerry is such an enemy. I would advise some
serious homework on Kerry before deciding to throw away our country to
Communism. Remember their are two problems in this country Republicans and
Democrats...it's time for people to think for themselves and not have a
"party" think for you. The USSR had a two party system too...remember!
But I see the threat of this election as a Communist saying he is a
Democrat..John "Commie" Kerry.
"Ken Finney" wrote in message
...

"Stan Premo" wrote in message
...
My recollection is that Bush went AWOL one other time that people tend
to
forget. While the civilians were dealing with the aftermath of 911, bush
left Florida hell-bent for leather...not to his post...but westward for
safety under fighter escort...later to claim a "radar lock" made him do
it.
Of course, the VP was still around...or more correctly, underground.

When I become President, remind me not to hire you as part of my
Secret Service.

My recollection is that Bush went AWOL one other time that people tend to
forget. While the civilians were dealing with the aftermath of 911, bush
left Florida hell-bent for leather...not to his post...but westward for
safety under fighter escort...later to claim a "radar lock" made him do
it.
Of course, the VP was still around...or more correctly, underground.

When I become President, remind me not to hire you as part of my
Secret Service.




Bush was taken to SAC Headquarters at Offut AFB, just outside of Omaha. That
happens to be one of a several full command posts setup for just such a
purpose. It has all of the communications and control systems necessary to
command any response to an attack. It wasn't that Bush chose to go there, it
was one of the predetermined locations to be used until the extent of the
threat could be determined.

Only a totally ignorant fool would consider those actions to be something to
find fault with. So consider the source.


Bob Reed
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