SZD-56-2 Diana

;247963]I have flown all of them.
Jancsika wrote:[color=blue][i]
Just fly one and you will see what I mean...


Hello Jacek,
Have been flying both of them too - means Diana 1 and Diana 2

VHZ

Originally Posted by

All SZD Bielsko gliders are very good. Since the factory became
privatized they are even better. Bottom line. And anybody who has any
doubts about it need to educate themselves. The German sailplane
industry is simply riding on their good reputation. And whoever is
comparing BMW to Honda they need to pause and think for a second....or
maybe 2....or whatever amount of time it takes. At the same time the
German sailplane industry is killing this sport. Plain and simple. Do
you know that LS-8 made by DG nowadays cost 65000 Euros? Maybe in
Germany everybody is rich and they can afford this type of prices but
here in the U.S.....many people making just about 30,000 U.S. Dollars a
year...in some states like Montana or the Dakotas even less....and just
because of the income does this make those guys or gals less qualified
pilots? No, but if the Germans will become more realistic and adjust
the prices to the world level maybe we would have more pilots and those
factories could sell more sailplanes....and then maybe we could see
that pilots with lower income, which translates directly to what they
fly, will prove that is not the amount of money but the pilot
skills...in the mean time the SZD Bielsko is doing excellent job
keeping the prices of their sailplanes on more reasonable level and
anybody who has a problem with that should take golfing..not flying.

- Sorry Jacek, your PROPAGANDA is not valid...

you wrote:
"SZD Bielsko gliders are very good. Since the factory became
privatized they are even better. Bottom line. And anybody who has any
doubts about it need to educate themselves."

Education for you Jacek:

New SZD = past Diana designer + past SZD PZL director + past SZD PZL workers
Why they should be better? Not idea from this above. Only personal experience... They are not better. The some thinking as in past.
Customer is important till this moment when he pay for product....

You wrote:
"The German sailplane
industry is simply riding on their good reputation. And whoever is
comparing BMW to Honda they need to pause and think for a second....or
maybe 2....or whatever amount of time it takes. At the same time the
German sailplane industry is killing this sport. Plain and simple.

- Who is keeping prices where? Where will be Ferrari without factory reputation? I think on standard price...
- Who and why is killing gliding sport? I don't think that it should be price. It is only producer's responsibility building not only product price. It is valid not only for gliding producers and products. Good product means also responsible producer and it can means corresponding price...
- A producer can kill only him self or pilot - not gliding sport.

Diana 2 cost:

____________with trailer
(you can get also one very special with producer's design)

____________and instruments

____________ PRICE is 120 thousands Euro with Polish VAT (22%), because only Polish seller
(May be it included bonus of customers' fun with it? So suggest put up this price for customer's wasting time and financial worse)


REALITY:
new ventus 2 costs less
new asw27 costs less


Product Diana 2 is not well hand made with a lot of "green banana" design and flying characteristic syndromes.

No warranty claim possible.
(producer is deaf to hear about production faults, according him they are customer's faults. - May be it means customer's fault that he was buying it)

No EASA Certificate till yet if promised by producer form start 2006 year.
SZD product is without producer's responsibility - only experimental category

- But may be you can still decide to buy a "Ferrari"


You are Jacek writing:
"...and then maybe we could see
that pilots with lower income, which translates directly to what they
fly, will prove that is not the amount of money but the pilot
skills...in the mean time the SZD Bielsko is doing excellent job
keeping the prices of their sailplanes on more reasonable level and
anybody who has a problem with that should take golfing..not flying."

- Jacek. It means if a customer spend all his money and will find out that glider is not flying (because can't fly his glider before payment is done and have chance to find out production faults when he is owner) have to put glider on the store and start golfing? Or have to accept offer from producer's financial director and sell back to producer glider for second hand price and keep producer from customer's harm payment reminiscent gliding on golf course?

Are you not only Polish with tape on your eyes who is proudly prising Polish product?

Please, jump on the ground, put tape out...

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Few pictures here http://picasaweb.google.com/diana2.szd56.2.vh.vhz
and will put more and more

Some discussion at
http://www.szybowce.com/news/article...szybowce#29136

http://www.szybowce.com/news/article...szybowce#28729

Forum is working back in correct link only with changes of the date
http://www.szybowce.com/news/article...szybowce#28050

From here all ready
http://www.aviationbanter.com/tags/diana2/
http://www.aviationbanter.com/tags/diana/

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I don't wish to anyone experience with this product and his producer/designer.

Hana

Hello to all,

starting blog about Diana 2 s/n3 VH-VHZ case at http://diana2-vhvhz.blogspot.com/

Sorry for my not best English.... hope main thinks will be understandably.

Here is Pik-20 measurement by Dick Johnson from past.

The some factory,
the some technical control,
the some workers, the some design,
the some...
...and differences

Gliding production is not inwardness serial production if with serial numbers "operate".

http://www.appledor.net/tsillas/soaring/pikt7/pikt7.htm

Prototype was excellent,
s/n 8 was abortive,
s/n 145 was great
later model excellent...

VHZ