Steen Skybolt pre-purchase, northern California

On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 05:08:48 +0000 (UTC), Borislav Deianov
wrote:

Hi,

I'm considering the purchase of a share in a Steen Skybolt (homebuilt
biplane). I'd never seen one before and my mechanical experience
consists of peeking under the cowl of rental aircraft (this would be
my first airplane). Needless to say, I need somebody familiar with the
type to have a good look at it. If anybody here is willing to do that,
or know anybody who might be, please drop me a note. The airplane is
based at RHV (San Jose, CA).

Thanks,
Boris
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I gather you are NOT a Skybolt pilot.
So, first things first.

Investigate what it takes to land this bird
with an appropriate amount of dual.

Could be this airplane is not for you
regardless of mechanical condition.

Beware of owning a share of any airplane.
The pitfalls can be many.

Do your homework or happiness
could be very fleeting.


Barnyard BOb -- 50 years of flight

Barnyard BOb -- wrote in message . ..
On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 05:08:48 +0000 (UTC), Borislav Deianov
wrote:

Hi,

I'm considering the purchase of a share in a Steen Skybolt (homebuilt
biplane). I'd never seen one before and my mechanical experience
consists of peeking under the cowl of rental aircraft (this would be
my first airplane). Needless to say, I need somebody familiar with the
type to have a good look at it. If anybody here is willing to do that,
or know anybody who might be, please drop me a note. The airplane is
based at RHV (San Jose, CA).

Thanks,
Boris
+++++++++++++++++++++++++

I gather you are NOT a Skybolt pilot.
So, first things first.

Investigate what it takes to land this bird
with an appropriate amount of dual.

Could be this airplane is not for you
regardless of mechanical condition.

Beware of owning a share of any airplane.
The pitfalls can be many.

Do your homework or happiness
could be very fleeting.


Barnyard BOb -- 50 years of flight

BOoby, BOoby, BOoby. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Your reading comprehension
skills appear to be lacking. Nowhere in Boris' post did he ask for a
has-been's opinion on what he was going to do. Since you didn't seem
to understand his simple request I'll type it r e a l s l o w f o
r y o u : he just wanted information on an aircraft, a Skybolt in
particular. Comprende'?

It is comforting to see that you once again pointed out the fact that
you have been flying for fifty years though. That no doubt makes you
the preeminent expert on Skybolts. But you forgot to mention that you
have 9000 hours, claim to have done some crop dusting, know for a fact
that no engine type will ever work other than the ones you espouse and
lastly, but certainly not leastly, you require no Viagra because your
pecker still stands up for Rosy Palm and her five sisters. Now how in
the world do you expect people to respect you if you neglect to
continually remind them the reasons why they should? You are slipping
BOob, better get some rudder in there! Oh, never mind. I forgot you
got most of your time as an Aercoupe driver. Just pretend, okay?

Me wrote:

BOoby, BOoby, BOoby. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Your reading comprehension
skills appear to be lacking. Nowhere in Boris' post did he ask for a
has-been's opinion on what he was going to do. Since you didn't seem
to understand his simple request I'll type it r e a l s l o w f o
r y o u : he just wanted information on an aircraft, a Skybolt in
particular. Comprende'?
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Hi, Sock Puppet.
Have you been formally introduced to Waun Himenitpic?

Sock Puppet meet Waun Himenitpic.
Waun Himenitpic meet Sock Puppet.

Have a nice day, you two.

P.S.
My apologies to rec.aviation owning.
This is a one time post. Waun and
his sock puppet can have it back now.


Barnyard BOb --

Borislav Deianov wrote in message ...
Investigate what it takes to land this bird
with an appropriate amount of dual.

Definitely. I already have an instructor lined up, the best one there
is. ATP, 23000 hours, airshow performer, flown 300+ types, etc, etc. I
swear I learn more from him in one hour than in five hours with any of
the several other good instructors I've flown with.

Boris,

Maybe it's just not clear to me but:
1) have you flown this Skybolt? Any Skybolt?
2) have you called insurance agents, or the insurance for this
partnership, and found out what it will take to have yourself
added?

I know you're a good tailwheel/acro pilot, but I don't think
one can overestimate the "luuuuuve" factor in buying a plane.
Out of several planes with similar, suitable characteristics,
you might easily find you vastly prefer one or another, for
small details of ergonomics or handling or visibility, which
you just can't tell *until you fly that make and model*.

I hear that you have a great instructor, but the insurance
company which was willing to insure one of the other partners
when he had less experience than you have now, might not be
willing to cover YOU at a reasonable cost no matter how fantastic
your CFI is and how good a pilot you are. That was then,
this is now, KWIM?

re mechanic, have you looked at Ron Wanttaja's homebuilt pages?
There are several Skybolt web pages listed, and one of them,
or one of the people who maintain them, might know of a type club
where you could ask. Also, contact your local EAA chapter, not
only might you get leads to a bunch of mechanics knowledgeable in
a similar type of plane (if not Skybolt) but you might get a bunch
of skinny about that particular plane.

Good luck!
Sydney

(Snowbird) wrote in message . com...
Borislav Deianov wrote in message ...
Investigate what it takes to land this bird
with an appropriate amount of dual.

Definitely. I already have an instructor lined up, the best one there
is. ATP, 23000 hours, airshow performer, flown 300+ types, etc, etc. I
swear I learn more from him in one hour than in five hours with any of
the several other good instructors I've flown with.

Boris,

Maybe it's just not clear to me but:
1) have you flown this Skybolt? Any Skybolt?
2) have you called insurance agents, or the insurance for this
partnership, and found out what it will take to have yourself
added?

Sydney, Sydney, Sydney, SYDNEY, Sydney,

Sigh. You poor reading comprehension lacking wannabe. What business
is it of yours if he's flown a Skybolt or not? Nowhere did he ask for
advice from a 200 going on 10,000 (in their mind) wannabe. He asked a
simple question. Answer the question or get control of your fingers.

I know you're a good tailwheel/acro pilot, but I don't think
one can overestimate the "luuuuuve" factor in buying a plane.

Whoops! My bad! I wrongly accused you of a lack of comprehension. I
guess I'll have to qualify that by writing that it is a SELECTIVE lack
of comprehension. You don't comprehend when comprehending would
prevent you from making one of your famous "I have nothing but
contempt for you but I'm going to word it so that when you get angry I
can bat my eyes and claim I am being persecuted when I've done nothing
wrong and only tried to help" kind of posts. But the disparity of the
people here on the rec.aviation NG's truly amazes me. You've got poor
BOob, who obviously has a problem with ALL reading comprehension.
Then there's YOU. You are obviously a SUPER comprehender when it fits
with the chip on your shoulder! You've managed to extract a tidbit of
information with no input from Boris himself! Wow, that's amazing!
Where in his post did he allude to the fact that he was a "good
tailwheel/acro pilot"? How in the world could you "know" this? Or,
could it be that this is another of your snide remarks? Of course I
write that tongue in cheek, because it is obviously one of the snide,
thinly disguised, chip on the shoulder induced expressions of contempt
which you are so famous for. Heaven forbid that he would contemplate
purchase of an an airplane in a manner that you don't approve of. As
for the luuuuvve factor, isn't that what it's all about? Let the man
decide what he wants and either answer his question or excersise some
self control!

Out of several planes with similar, suitable characteristics,
you might easily find you vastly prefer one or another, for
small details of ergonomics or handling or visibility, which
you just can't tell *until you fly that make and model*.

Bullcrap. That is assuming he doesn't have some physical
characteristic which would necessitate investigating every single
airplane individually (i.e. a big wide butt). I guess people with big
wide butts would be required to check out ever aircraft individually.


I hear that you have a great instructor, but the insurance
company which was willing to insure one of the other partners
when he had less experience than you have now, might not be
willing to cover YOU at a reasonable cost no matter how fantastic
your CFI is and how good a pilot you are. That was then,
this is now, KWIM?

You HEAR that he has a great instructor? What, are you calling to
check up on him? Or do you get talking Usenet?

I never heard of a KWIM, is that like a QUEEB? As for the insurance,
there you go SUPER comprehending again. Ever heard of SELF INSURANCE?
Why do you insist on thinking, without reason, that this man is an
idiot and has no ability to think things through for himself? A bit
of unfounded aviation megalomania maybe?


re mechanic, have you looked at Ron Wanttaja's homebuilt pages?
There are several Skybolt web pages listed, and one of them,
or one of the people who maintain them, might know of a type club
where you could ask. Also, contact your local EAA chapter, not
only might you get leads to a bunch of mechanics knowledgeable in
a similar type of plane (if not Skybolt) but you might get a bunch
of skinny about that particular plane.

Good luck!
Sydney

Sydney, next time, just save yourself the typing and write what is
obviously on your mind, ala:

(Insert target of your contempt here),

It's obvious from your post and my SUPER comprehension skills that you
have no grasp about anything remotely aviation related you idiot. You
have no business buying a plane and even though you think you know
what you want you have no clue you dumbass. It may be the only
aircraft you've ever wanted since you were a child and may be the type
of purchase that is an "offer you can't refuse" but I still know what
is best for you and you should look at buying some other airplane even
though it's not what you want you miserable cretin. You may have
enough money that you don't need insurance but you have to do as I say
anyway you learning disabled lout. One day you may amass the
stupendous amount of aviation knowledge that I have acquired in my two
hundred hours but I doubt it you miserable ****ant. I really doubt
that anyone will ever know as much as I do because when it comes to
aviation I've been everywhere but the electric chair and seen
everything but the wind you ignorant piece of crap.

Glad I could be of help.

Love and kisses,

Sydney
xoxoxoxoxo

It is
But you
have done
other than
and lastly
if you
I forgot
Just pretend

Good Morning Pacy....

What's it like being Mr. Phillip's sock puppet.???

Your friend Socky

Sigh.

Whoops!

I guess

You HEAR

I never

next time

It's obvious

Glad I could be of help.

Good Morning Pacy....

What's it like being Mr. Phillip's sock puppet.???

Your friend Socky

pac plyer wrote:

SOCK Puppet wrote in message ...
Sigh.

Whoops!

I guess

You HEAR

I never

next time

It's obvious

Glad I could be of help.

Good Morning Pacy....

What's it like being Mr. Phillip's sock puppet.???

Your friend Socky

This is "pacy" you ****ing fool. Since you don't do this in your
trailer park, I will spell it out for you: notice that I use my real
name in my post M. Turner. Your such a slow study, I bet you don't
even know what goes on under your own roof.

pacplyer

M. Turner


Maybe so, but you bring it on yorself...

just by being so obnoxious.


Richard

Barnyard BOb -- wrote:
This is "pacy" you ****ing fool. Since you don't do this in your
trailer park, I will spell it out for you: notice that I use my real
name in my post M. Turner. Your such a slow study, I bet you don't
even know what goes on under your own roof.

pacplyer

M. Turner


Maybe so, but you bring it on yorself...

just by being so obnoxious.


Richard

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How come I ain't involved in this somewhere?


Barnyard BOb -- getting too old and cuddly.

Because you're dead???

In rec.aviation.homebuilt Snowbird wrote:

Maybe it's just not clear to me but:
1) have you flown this Skybolt? Any Skybolt?

No. Should I? :-)

Seriously - I'm going to fly it as soon as it's flyable again. It's
currently waiting for a new prop.

2) have you called insurance agents, or the insurance for this
partnership, and found out what it will take to have yourself
added?

I have but don't have the answer yet. The agent was supposed to call
me today with the quote but didn't. I'll bug them again tomorrow.

Out of several planes with similar, suitable characteristics,
you might easily find you vastly prefer one or another, for
small details of ergonomics or handling or visibility, which
you just can't tell *until you fly that make and model*.

I understand that. The thing is, it's not like I'm trying to decide
between several similar Skybolt-like types. The airplane I really want
looks nothing like a Skybolt. I'll eventually own what I want but, for
now, I can't afford it. I can, however, afford this share of a
Skybolt. It promises to be a lot of fun to fly, inexpensive to own,
push my limits and teach me a few things.

I'll tell you what's going to happen when I get to fly it. It'll have
the worst visibility of any plane I've been in, it'll be uncomfortable
as hell, I'll have trouble handling it both on the ground and in the
air, but I'll still have a blast and want to buy it. :-)

BUT: I'm still not buying it unless all the details check out. Right
now, a few red flags are going off which make me thing it's more
likely that I won't be buying it. I'll have to wait and see. I'll be
disappointed if it doesn't happen but I've been through that
before. There was a *really* nice Citabria owned by a few members of
my glider club and they wanted to sell another share. The plane looked
great, flew great, and I already had a good relationship with the
partners. On the other hand, it was based a little too far away from
home, it was missing most of the older logbooks (one of the partners
was an A&P and maintained by himself for many years until he passed
away, then the logbooks couldn't be found) and the price for the share
was on the high side. I ended up passing it up. It was difficult but I
think it was the right decision.

re mechanic, have you looked at Ron Wanttaja's homebuilt pages?
There are several Skybolt web pages listed, and one of them,
or one of the people who maintain them, might know of a type club

Yes, I've seen those. Two are at a fairly early stage of construction
and the third only has pictures but I guess I can email them and ask
about a type club.

where you could ask. Also, contact your local EAA chapter, not

Yes, I'll be doing that.

Thanks for the tips,
Boris

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