Sun Ship Game on Youtube - Complete

On Sep 8, 8:37*pm, Mike wrote:
I think Gleb still lives in Durango Colorado.

He and his wife, for a long time, ran a jewlery store there, and for a
while Gleb was active in their soaring club, giving instruction.

To add to his online RAS resume, Gleb was also a top fashion
photographer in NYC, his ex-wife Ruth, a fashion model. And for those
who remember, was the guy who shot the Alka Seltzer "On the Rocks"
commercial.

On Sep 8, 9:15*pm, Whiskey Delta wrote:

Most of us know more about George Moffat and what his life in soaring
was like after the Marfa Nationals, but what became of Gleb
Derujinsky? *Other than what we know from the movie, does anyone know
what Gleb went on to do? *Did he continue to soar? *Is he still
flying?

WD

Gleb still lives outside Durango... being the first owner of the Sisu
I have (s/n 101, N6390X) I contacted him some years ago to talk to him
about that (what a great excuse!) and visited him there a few years
back, still keeping in touch. He raced a Std cirrus through the 70s,
and continued to soar and instruct into the 90s before getting really
frustrated with somebody at the club there, after which he tore up his
ticket (literally...) never to fly again. I told him to please send
stuff like that to a museum or at least to me next time, and one day
shortly after that he sent me the compass from Charlie Item (visible
on top of his cowl in Sunship) which was given to him by Schreder (who
'liberated' a bunch from the Navy and gave them out to his friends)
which needless to say is a very proud piece of my collection. I also
talked with a fellow that was given a glider ride by Gleb- 260 miles
in a 2-33! with a 55 mile final glide! said he didn't look once at the
ground but rather kept his eyes glued skyward, although the fellow
riding with him was white knuckled looking down for most of it. This
guy was really in awe of his stick skill and soaring intuition to say
the least. He's not soaring or flying anymore, but he also had a power
ticket w/instrument rating.

In addition to other of his achievements mentioned, he was a serious
top bicycle racer before WWII, played piano in Canagie Hall at age 9
while his mom danced, is the son of a famous sculptor (forgot name,
but made the bronze Roosevelt bust in DC for instance, other
sculptures visible in Sunship are his...), is the grandson of famous
Russian classical composer, made the first known carbon fiber bike
frames- which were then bought by the US olympic committee and reverse
engineered forming the foundation for more to come, made seargent at
age 19, field promoted after laying a road through un-passable mud for
Patten while in an army engineering team in Belgium after the 3
previous teams failed, while a top fashion photographer in the 50's he
went on that first round-world trip on the new 707 as such in addition
to the many covers of Harpar's Bazaar and other pubs his pics were on/
in, raced for Ferarri, and much much more. Apparently he was quite the
life of most any party he was at, and was a heap of fun to be around.
Truly an amazing person, and obviously a personal hero of mine. Oh,
and just about every woman around him had a big crush on him...

BTW, a lot of these are things I learned from others that know him and
did not come from his own bragging, although he really does have a lot
to brag about in my opinion.

-Paul

PS. Sunship Game is a very special movie to me, and I too think the
mangled youtube version is a travesty to that work of art, but I'm
glad others have gotten to see/appreciate it that otherwise may not
have.

PPS. when/if Robert Drew gets things straightened out with the
Beegees, there may be extra scenes included in the real DVD release
since a little birdie suggested it to him and he was warmly receptive
to the notion

On Tue, 08 Sep 2009 23:13:17 -0700, sisu1a wrote:

PPS. when/if Robert Drew gets things straightened out with the Beegees,
there may be extra scenes included in the real DVD release since a
little birdie suggested it to him and he was warmly receptive to the
notion

That sounds something to look forward to. I'm also disappointed by the
resolution of the posted version and will certainly buy a DVD when it is
produced. Hopefully it won't be region-limited.


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martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |

At 20:19 09 September 2009, Martin Gregorie wrote:
On Tue, 08 Sep 2009 23:13:17 -0700, sisu1a wrote:

PPS. when/if Robert Drew gets things straightened out with the
Beegees,
there may be extra scenes included in the real DVD release since a
little birdie suggested it to him and he was warmly receptive to the
notion

That sounds something to look forward to. I'm also disappointed by the
resolution of the posted version and will certainly buy a DVD when it is

produced. Hopefully it won't be region-limited.


--
martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |

Count me in for a copy. Maybe if we show enough interest, it will
encourage Mr. Drew to pursue the rights.

Are these actors playing Moffat and Gleb or do they play themselves?

They play themselves. All the characters in the movie are actual soaring
pilots and crew, etc.

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Are these actors playing Moffat and Gleb or do they play themselves?




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tienshanman

I hadn't set foot in a glider until April of this year so it was
interesting to see how things were 40 years ago. In several points in
the film, George Moffat is seen manipulating a circular device, which
I assume is some form of flight computer. What is this and what does
it do?

--Michael

Michael wrote:
I hadn't set foot in a glider until April of this year so it was
interesting to see how things were 40 years ago. In several points in
the film, George Moffat is seen manipulating a circular device, which
I assume is some form of flight computer. What is this and what does
it do?

--Michael

I don't have the video up right now, but it's probably an E-6B, an
aviation version of a circular slide rule. You can still buy them.
They work by adding logarithms of values to produce the same result as
multiplying the values. In the small handheld format, they provide
about 2.5 dignificant figures of accuracy, and you have to keep track of
the decimal point yourself (such as the difference between 2 minutes and
20 minutes), and therefore you have to have some idea of the magnitude
of the expected result. Since I got my start in flying in the 60s, I
can probably solve speed/time/distance problems faster that way than I
can with a calculator, even one of the fancy flight calculators.

They also solve problems like true airspeed, mach compressibility, F/C
temperature conversions, mph/kts conversions, etc. Just about any kind
of problem that might need solving for planning or executing a flight.

Ed

On Sep 11, 1:56*pm, Michael wrote:
I hadn't set foot in a glider until April of this year so it was
interesting to see how things were 40 years ago. *In several points in
the film, George Moffat is seen manipulating a circular device, which
I assume is some form of flight computer. *What is this and what does
it do?

--Michael

Yup, a flight compuiter and it didn't need batteries and was readable
even in the brightest sunlight!

Used to compute speed to fly and final glide altitude before those
transistor things came along. Not quite as configurable as the
modern silicon wonders. Changing to a glider with a different polar
required making, or buying, a new "prayer wheel".

I expect mine is still in a box somewhere with the cameras and the
photo books. I got a refund on the barograph before I got stuck with
that.

Andy

On Sep 11, 2:20*pm, Ed Winchester wrote:
Michael wrote:
I hadn't set foot in a glider until April of this year so it was
interesting to see how things were 40 years ago. *In several points in
the film, George Moffat is seen manipulating a circular device, which
I assume is some form of flight computer. *What is this and what does
it do?

--Michael

I don't have the video up right now, but it's probably an E-6B, an
aviation version of a circular slide rule. *You can still buy them.
They work by adding logarithms of values to produce the same result as
multiplying the values. *In the small handheld format, they provide
about 2.5 dignificant figures of accuracy, and you have to keep track of
the decimal point yourself (such as the difference between 2 minutes and
20 minutes), and therefore you have to have some idea of the magnitude
of the expected result. *Since I got my start in flying in the 60s, I
can probably solve speed/time/distance problems faster that way than I
can with a calculator, even one of the fancy flight calculators.

They also solve problems like true airspeed, mach compressibility, F/C
temperature conversions, mph/kts conversions, etc. *Just about any kind
of problem that might need solving for planning or executing a flight.

Ed

Actually no, it's not an e-6b. I have one of the circular glide
computers from that era, set up for a 301 Libelle. There are several
versions but the one I have has a side to place a sectional chart (or
portion of one) and a spiral set of lines to show glide distance into
a headwind. You twist the correct line over your current location and
I think it indicates the correct altitude for final glide, or some
combination thereof.

If someone is really interested I can post pictures on my website. m
l b ( at ) m i k e b a m b e r g . c o m (remove the spaces, replace
the at) drop me a line and I'll go through the effort.

Mike

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:30:34 -0700 (PDT), Mike Bamberg
wrote:

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Actually no, it's not an e-6b. I have one of the circular glide
computers from that era, set up for a 301 Libelle. There are several
versions but the one I have has a side to place a sectional chart (or
portion of one) and a spiral set of lines to show glide distance into
a headwind. You twist the correct line over your current location and
I think it indicates the correct altitude for final glide, or some
combination thereof.

If someone is really interested I can post pictures on my website. m
l b ( at ) m i k e b a m b e r g . c o m (remove the spaces, replace
the at) drop me a line and I'll go through the effort.

Mike

I presented a paper at the 1991 OSTIV meeting detailing a software
program, written in HP BASIC, to compute the required parameters and
plot the graphic overlay for this type of final glide computer, which
Helmut Reichmann called a "Stocker" calculator. On my copy of
Reichmann's "Cross Country Soaring", the descirption of the computer
is on page 120.

The program I wrote was designed to drive an HP plotter which
generated an overlay what would be printed on a transparency and
overlaid on top of a sectional map.

If anyone is interested in ancient historical artifacts, send me an
email and I'll forward a copy of the paper.

Bob