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Old October 1st 10, 09:48 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
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On Oct 1, 12:05*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:
YOUR ORIGINAL POST WAS WRONG.


Unless you explain the error that you believe it to have contained, your post
doesn't serve much purpose, does it?


I ALREADY DID.
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Old October 1st 10, 10:32 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
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I ALREADY DID.


If that were true, why would you bring it up again?
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Old October 2nd 10, 01:07 AM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
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On 9/22/2010 6:16 AM, ChristianFro wrote:
If an approach says DME required but I dont have DME, can I still
execute a VFR practise approach?

On GPS (RNAV) approaches, can I deviate from the published procedures
with permission from the Tower or controlling agency if I am doing a VFR
practise approach? I.E. Altitude deviation for a fix.

If so, what is the reference?

Thanks in advance.




In VMC, there are VFR approaches, and practice IFR approaches.
In IMC there are IFR approaches. Full stop.

Required equipment for VFR approaches are one pair regulation eye-balls,
an ASI, altimeter and compass. A radio is helpful.

Brian W
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Old October 2nd 10, 02:46 AM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
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On Oct 1, 7:07*pm, brian whatcott wrote:

In VMC, there are VFR approaches, and practice IFR approaches.
In IMC there are IFR approaches. Full stop.


Brian,

I think it's ATC facility dependent for IFR approaches and full stops.

I get touch and goes on IFR approaches on IFR clearances routinely my
neck of the woods.

Touch and goes also can be done on IFR XC round robins. Just file to
a fix at the destination airport, pick up the approach clearance and
fly back home after the touch and go.
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Old October 2nd 10, 02:47 AM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
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On Oct 1, 4:32*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
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I ALREADY DID.


If that were true, why would you bring it up again?


BECAUSE YOU ARE WRONG.

WHAT PART OF THAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND???????????
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Old October 2nd 10, 03:37 AM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
A Guy Called Tyketto wrote:

This is incorrect. You forget to take into account that ATC
doesn't need to talk to you at all. That in itself is restrictive. If
ATC tells you "Aircraft calling for Class B clearance remain outside
of Class B airspace", it is restrictive, even if they do not
acknowledge
you directly. If ATC doesn't answer your call, you are to remain
outside of Class B until they do. If they don't answer, too bad.


Answering you isn't enough, if ATC does not clear you into Class B airspace
you are to remain outside.


That's exactly my point. If ATC tells you 'remain outside of
Class Bravo Airspace', you're stuck. you remain outside it. If they
don't contact you, you remain outside. If they even identify you, and
you don't hear those magic words clearing you into the Bravo, you
remain outside. Anthony here isn't getting the point there.

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Old October 2nd 10, 07:45 AM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
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A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

That's exactly my point. If ATC tells you 'remain outside of
Class Bravo Airspace', you're stuck. you remain outside it. If they
don't contact you, you remain outside. If they even identify you, and
you don't hear those magic words clearing you into the Bravo, you
remain outside.


Mxsmanic wrote:

If you are thinking Class B, you can do what you want in Class B, UNLESS ATC
tells you otherwise, and PROVIDED OF COURSE THAT YOU HAVE A CLEARANCE into the
airspace before you enter it.


(emphasis added)
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Old October 2nd 10, 08:13 AM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
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Mxsmanic wrote:
A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

That's exactly my point. If ATC tells you 'remain outside of
Class Bravo Airspace', you're stuck. you remain outside it. If they
don't contact you, you remain outside. If they even identify you, and
you don't hear those magic words clearing you into the Bravo, you
remain outside.


Mxsmanic wrote:

If you are thinking Class B, you can do what you want in Class B, UNLESS ATC
tells you otherwise, and PROVIDED OF COURSE THAT YOU HAVE A CLEARANCE into the
airspace before you enter it.


(emphasis added)


You miss the point again. ATC does *NOT* have to reply to you
at all, despite all your calls for Class B clearance. If you do not
hear from them, you're not getting into the Bravo at all. So you'd
better get below it (assuming you can without passing through it), stay
above it (assuming you can without passing through it), or go around
it.

And for 'you can do what you want in Class B', 7-9-2.a of the
..65T tells you otherwise:

a. VFR aircraft must obtain an ATC clearance to operate in Class B
airspace.

PHRASEOLOGY:
CLEARED THROUGH/TO ENTER/OUT OF BRAVO AIRSPACE,

and as appropriate,

VIA (route). MAINTAIN (altitude) WHILE IN BRAVO AIRSPACE.

or

CLEARED AS REQUESTED.

(Additional instructions, as necessary.)

REMAIN OUTSIDE BRAVO AIRSPACE. (When necessary, reason and/or
additional instructions.)


So if you are told to maintain a given altitude while in the
Bravo with your clearance to enter the Bravo, you will be no where near
'you can do what you want'. In short, you're a guest in Class B
airspace, and at the command of what ATC needs you to do, based on
their workload, other traffic, and/or any other limitations.

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