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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:AKPPb.122190$8H.311989@attbi_s03... Because, while it's easy, it wouldn't solve what some see as the problem. Hope this helps clarify the issues for some, Yes, it does. Thanks, Sydney. Although (as always happens when an uproar like this starts rolling along) I've now got a back-log of photos and bios from eager contributors to upload to the Gallery, I will try to keep their announcements to a minimum. It's a real shame that this site -- created solely for users of this forum -- is being painted with the same brush as commercial sites, but I *do* see your point. It's a slippery slope from announcing the Rogue's Gallery additions to allowing other sites with more tangential (I.E.: commercial) connections -- and then all we'll have here is a newsgroups full of commercial announcements. I, too, have seen this happen to other newsgroups, and it destroys the group. Please be aware, all, that I created the Rogue's Gallery with the best of intentions. That's obvious to even the most casual observation, Jay. Thanks a bunch for all your unappreciated efforts. |
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:AKPPb.122190$8H.311989@attbi_s03... Because, while it's easy, it wouldn't solve what some see as the problem. Hope this helps clarify the issues for some, Yes, it does. Thanks, Sydney. Although (as always happens when an uproar like this starts rolling along) I've now got a back-log of photos and bios from eager contributors to upload to the Gallery, I will try to keep their announcements to a minimum. It's a real shame that this site -- created solely for users of this forum -- is being painted with the same brush as commercial sites, but I *do* see your point. It's a slippery slope from announcing the Rogue's Gallery additions to allowing other sites with more tangential (I.E.: commercial) connections -- and then all we'll have here is a newsgroups full of commercial announcements. I, too, have seen this happen to other newsgroups, and it destroys the group. Please be aware, all, that I created the Rogue's Gallery with the best of intentions. Remember, too, that some people have the notion that time spent in a NG produces some sort of squatters rights. |
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Jay Honeck wrote:
Sydney wrote: Hope this helps clarify the issues for some, Yes, it does. Thanks, Sydney. My thanks, too, Sydney, for taking the time to explain so eloquently. Although (as always happens when an uproar like this starts rolling along) I've now got a back-log of photos and bios from eager contributors to upload to the Gallery, I will try to keep their announcements to a minimum. Thanks, Jay. I knew you were a reasonable fellow. snip Please be aware, all, that I created the Rogue's Gallery with the best of intentions. Indeed. I'm quite sure that's the case. Now let's get back to aviation. :-) Remove SHIRT to reply directly. Dave |
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:AKPPb.122190$8H.311989@attbi_s03...
Because, while it's easy, it wouldn't solve what some see as the problem. .. Hope this helps clarify the issues for some, Yes, it does. Thanks, Sydney. You're welcome. I'm glad it helped. It's always a problem when an issue like this comes up; it can be hard for folks to recognize that they aren't all operating from the same information or premises, insults start flying, "ah the humanity" *g* It's a real shame that this site -- created solely for users of this forum -- is being painted with the same brush as commercial sites, but I *do* see your point. Yeah. I personally see it as on the "OK" side of the line, but I think I understand where people are coming from who see it differently and I do think it's worthwhile to respect their POV. Because in the big picture what matters isn't really how you or I see it, but how others who might be coming to the group with a product to advertise are gonna see it. So it seems like if it's a small thing to change why not accomodate. My $0.02 anyway. Please be aware, all, that I created the Rogue's Gallery with the best of intentions. I never doubted that, which is why I hung in and kept talking Best, Sydney |
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Please be aware, all, that I created the Rogue's Gallery with the best of intentions. I never doubted that, which is why I hung in and kept talking Best, Sydney +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ And that is why I stayed the helloutofit. g Barnyard BOb |
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On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 12:54:56 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote: Because, while it's easy, it wouldn't solve what some see as the problem. Hope this helps clarify the issues for some, Yes, it does. Thanks, Sydney. As far as I'm concerned there is nothing wrong with posting non commercial items on a commercial site. I have my own dot come, but as I have nothing to sell, no adds, and only personal *stuff* or local EAA chapter *stuff*, it's a non commercial dot com. However to those commercial sites that host charitable, or non commercial adventures without adds there should be no problem. Although (as always happens when an uproar like this starts rolling along) I've now got a back-log of photos and bios from eager contributors to upload to the Gallery, I will try to keep their announcements to a minimum. It's a real shame that this site -- created solely for users of this forum -- is being painted with the same brush as commercial sites, but I I have difficulty seeing how it could be painted that way by any one who looks at it. Many commercial sites host user sites and although the users are non commercial, the site is under the commercial sites dot com. We have several here. Some put adds on the users sites as part of the TOS even though they are non commercial ventures. *do* see your point. It's a slippery slope from announcing the Rogue's Gallery additions to allowing other sites with more tangential (I.E.: As long as there is a distinction between the commercial part of the site and the gallery there should be no slippery slope. commercial) connections -- and then all we'll have here is a newsgroups full of commercial announcements. I, too, have seen this happen to other newsgroups, and it destroys the group. I see a large distinction between a commercial site hosting a non commercial venture and those of a commercial nature. Please be aware, all, that I created the Rogue's Gallery with the best of intentions. Jay, those of us who understand, need no explanation and those who don't, never will no matter how much explanation you give. Some probably would find fault even if it were a completely non commercial site, just due to the repetition. For the sensitive types, you could just make a weekly announcement although for them monthly would probably be too much. Although I understand the enthusiasm, "were it me" and it's not, I'd just make a weekly announcement of updates. Besides, it's less work:-)). I take care of four sites (all non commercial) and keeping them up-to-date takes quite a few hours. Plus on my own I get to practice new programs and techniques. For me, the programming is more play. Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com |
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Although I understand the enthusiasm, "were it me" and it's not, I'd
just make a weekly announcement of updates. Besides, it's less work:-)). Thanks for the support, Roger. I was truly taken aback by the ferocity of the opposition to the Rogue's Gallery announcements. My problem is that my days are incredibly disjointed, yet filled to over-flowing. As a result, I'll spend an hour adding someone's pix to the gallery -- in 5 minute increments, spread over half a day. For me to actually remember doing this a week or a month later is difficult. Then for me to then remember to post an update HERE a week or a month later is almost impossible to imagine. This was the reason for the frequent updates -- I simply didn't want to forget someone's addition. Now, true, I can do like Sydney (and others) have suggested, and paste the person's name, etc., into a text file, for future updates. But that just adds one more level of complexity I really don't need to an endeavor that nets me nothing but ever-diminishing personal satisfaction. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" "Roger Halstead" wrote in message ... On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 12:54:56 GMT, "Jay Honeck" wrote: Because, while it's easy, it wouldn't solve what some see as the problem. Hope this helps clarify the issues for some, Yes, it does. Thanks, Sydney. As far as I'm concerned there is nothing wrong with posting non commercial items on a commercial site. I have my own dot come, but as I have nothing to sell, no adds, and only personal *stuff* or local EAA chapter *stuff*, it's a non commercial dot com. However to those commercial sites that host charitable, or non commercial adventures without adds there should be no problem. Although (as always happens when an uproar like this starts rolling along) I've now got a back-log of photos and bios from eager contributors to upload to the Gallery, I will try to keep their announcements to a minimum. It's a real shame that this site -- created solely for users of this forum -- is being painted with the same brush as commercial sites, but I I have difficulty seeing how it could be painted that way by any one who looks at it. Many commercial sites host user sites and although the users are non commercial, the site is under the commercial sites dot com. We have several here. Some put adds on the users sites as part of the TOS even though they are non commercial ventures. *do* see your point. It's a slippery slope from announcing the Rogue's Gallery additions to allowing other sites with more tangential (I.E.: As long as there is a distinction between the commercial part of the site and the gallery there should be no slippery slope. commercial) connections -- and then all we'll have here is a newsgroups full of commercial announcements. I, too, have seen this happen to other newsgroups, and it destroys the group. I see a large distinction between a commercial site hosting a non commercial venture and those of a commercial nature. Please be aware, all, that I created the Rogue's Gallery with the best of intentions. Jay, those of us who understand, need no explanation and those who don't, never will no matter how much explanation you give. Some probably would find fault even if it were a completely non commercial site, just due to the repetition. For the sensitive types, you could just make a weekly announcement although for them monthly would probably be too much. I take care of four sites (all non commercial) and keeping them up-to-date takes quite a few hours. Plus on my own I get to practice new programs and techniques. For me, the programming is more play. Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com |
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In closing, for those who STILL think I'm "spamming" here, read this: If any of you come to visit, well that's just great, I'll buy you a beer -- but it really doesn't matter. Newsgroup participants have been (and will be) an immeasurably small percentage of our guest-count. In the meantime, if any of you want pictures of YOUR pride and joy posted for the rest of us to see, send 'em to me at , and I'll post 'em! :-) Interesting explaination. The problem you have is that you have something to contribute. This is not a place for anyone who has anything to say or show. It's-like you said, a 2-dimensional place of text only. If you bring some credibility to the table, or if you have something of value to say, you will be challenged. That's the nature of RAH. The biggest challengers are the little root worms who will forever remain annonymous and who are jealous of your success, whatever that might be. The majority of the people in RAH don't want to learn anything, they want to argue, put others down and confront anyone who may have a different idea than they do for entertainment. Anyone who brings anything of value is "suspect." I for one think you are doing a nice service to the pilots and builders. Hang in there and post here whenever you feel like it. It's free and it's unregulated although there are those here who wish it were otherwise. Bravo to you Jay. Job well done. BWB |
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Please be aware, all, that I created the Rogue's Gallery with the best of intentions. That's obvious Jay. These assholes just have to have something to bitch about. If it weren't you, it would be somebody else. BWB |
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