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"Abafon Goula" wrote in message
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On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 10:12:54 -0800, Jeff wrote:

Well the elections are comming up, if you think things are getting bad
now,
wait untill GW gets re-elected (if he does), then he has no reason to not
hold
back since he would be on his last term.

Let's kick his dumb ass out! Might be nice to have a president that
has at least half a brain and not a puppet.

And which one from the past 150 years or more, would fit that description?

Abraham Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt

Mike
MU-2

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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"Abafon Goula" wrote in message
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On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 10:12:54 -0800, Jeff wrote:

Well the elections are comming up, if you think things are getting bad
now,
wait untill GW gets re-elected (if he does), then he has no reason to
not
hold
back since he would be on his last term.

Let's kick his dumb ass out! Might be nice to have a president that
has at least half a brain and not a puppet.

And which one from the past 150 years or more, would fit that description?

"Abafon Goula" wrote in message
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On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 10:12:54 -0800, Jeff wrote:

Well the elections are comming up, if you think things are getting bad
now,
wait untill GW gets re-elected (if he does), then he has no reason to not
hold
back since he would be on his last term.

Let's kick his dumb ass out! Might be nice to have a president that
has at least half a brain and not a puppet.


Unfortunately there will only be a few choices and Teddy Roosevelt is not
running this year. A major problem is that the candidates in the election
had to win the primaries. It is difficult to win the Democratic primary
without being a big government, tax and spend, bleeding heart. It is
difficult to win the Republican primary without being a big government,
borrow and spend, friend of big polluting business and the religious right.
Looks like, no matter who wins, we will have a big government with Santa
Claus at its head. Of course the real Santa Clause brought presents to
everybody and government Santa Clauses favor their constituencies.
Basically each generation is trying to steal from the next. The retired try
to steal from the working by demanding medical and retirement benefits
vastly greater than any taxes that they paid to fund them. The working in
turn try to steal from future generations by running a deficit in good times
and bad. The future generations have had nobody since TR to advance their
cause.

Mike
MU-2

Unfortunately there will only be a few choices and Teddy Roosevelt is not
running this year. A major problem is that the candidates in the election
had to win the primaries. It is difficult to win the Democratic primary
without being a big government, tax and spend, bleeding heart. It is
difficult to win the Republican primary without being a big government,
borrow and spend, friend of big polluting business and the religious right.
Looks like, no matter who wins, we will have a big government with Santa
Claus at its head. Of course the real Santa Clause brought presents to
everybody and government Santa Clauses favor their constituencies.
Basically each generation is trying to steal from the next. The retired try
to steal from the working by demanding medical and retirement benefits
vastly greater than any taxes that they paid to fund them. The working in
turn try to steal from future generations by running a deficit in good times
and bad. The future generations have had nobody since TR to advance their
cause.

Mike
MU-2



The concept of future generations being penalized as a result of a
federal government deficit has always appeared a bit one-sided to me.

Future generations get the benefits of costs incurred by previous
generations - including tangible benefits in the form of roads built,
national parks, functional government institutions created to help
maintain a stable society, as well as considerable intangible benefits
such as freedom and the benefits of wars won in the past (whose costs
were undeniable and borne by previous generations). If future
generations get the benefits of the hard work of previous generations
(in the form of a better standard of living and more perfect society),
should they not absorb at least part of the cost?

It is beyond me how to equitably allocate the costs among generations
(i.e. - determine what level of deficit a future generation should be
required to assume), but it does seem fair that future generations
should pay at least some of the cost of instititions and assets built
for their benefit. John.

Ya, and replace him with an even bigger one?

The Liberals are after our wallets, and the Conservatives want to control
your bedroom. I am betting that the Conservatives will succeed less than
the Liberals.

Besides, so long as I have a gun, you can't get into my bedroom. Only the
Liberals want our guns, so they must have more nefarious plans.




"Abafon Goula" wrote in message
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On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 10:12:54 -0800, Jeff wrote:

Well the elections are comming up, if you think things are getting bad
now,
wait untill GW gets re-elected (if he does), then he has no reason to not
hold
back since he would be on his last term.

Let's kick his dumb ass out! Might be nice to have a president that
has at least half a brain and not a puppet.

Ameritrade is the same way.
after using them, we got hundredss of spam (and still do) from stock places.

Mike Rapoport wrote:

I used to subscribe to IFR until I realized that they offered a much better
rate to new subscribers than to existing ones. After realizing this, my
four year old decided to subscribe :-). Today he recieved a solicitation
from another aviation magazine. Obviously they sold his (and my) name and
address. I always check the little box indicating that I don't want my
information shared and I don't want to recieve any offers. I will never
subscribe to any Belvoire publication again.

Just had to vent after calling a credit card company and telling them not to
send me any more ot their stupid balance tranfer checks. It was the third
time I called them. I am in the national opt out list for all pre-approved
credit and I still get at least two "offers" a day. I guess that Congress
is so busy spending our hard earned money developing rainforests in Iowa and
subsidized rail to Disneyland that they don't have time for legislation that
ordinary people really care about.

Mike
MU-2

Jeff wrote:
Ameritrade is the same way.
after using them, we got hundredss of spam (and still do) from stock places.

Really? I've had Ameritrade for myself since about 1996 and for my kids
college trusts since 1997. Never got any spam from financial
institutions of any kind.

"Newps" wrote in message
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Jeff wrote:
Ameritrade is the same way.
after using them, we got hundredss of spam (and still do) from stock
places.

Really? I've had Ameritrade for myself since about 1996 and for my kids
college trusts since 1997. Never got any spam from financial
institutions of any kind.

They checked your bank balance after paying all the stuff for your airplane
and got spooked by the $3.82 bank balance. :~)

"Newps" wrote in message
news:dMbTb.198677$I06.2194088@attbi_s01...


Jeff wrote:
Ameritrade is the same way.
after using them, we got hundredss of spam (and still do) from stock
places.

Really? I've had Ameritrade for myself since about 1996 and for my kids
college trusts since 1997. Never got any spam from financial
institutions of any kind.

I have to agree with Newps.

I never received anything from any stock places untill a few weeks after signing
up with them. Now get the crap all the time.

Newps wrote:

Jeff wrote:
Ameritrade is the same way.
after using them, we got hundredss of spam (and still do) from stock places.

Really? I've had Ameritrade for myself since about 1996 and for my kids
college trusts since 1997. Never got any spam from financial
institutions of any kind.