Why did Bush join the national guard?

Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "George Z. Bush" am
Date: 9/5/2004 12:33 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Jack G wrote:
OK Art, tell that to a combat Marine - face to face. If all that happens
is
he asks you where you fought - and then laughs in your face when you tell
him you will be a very lucky man.
Jack G.

Just for the record, Jack, during WWII, the 8th Air Force sustained more
casualties over Europe than the entire United States Marine Corps did
world-wide
throughout the entire war. If you don't believe me, just ask Google the
right
questions and they'll provide the same answer that I just did....I know
because
I've already done it.

George Z.


That's just the 8th. Then add the 9th and the 15th and all the air forces in
the Pacific and you have a total that makes air duty the most hazardous in the
history of of warfare. Wanna live? Join anything but the Air Forces.. Or fly
B-52's over Iraq. Or do what Bush did. which was nothing.



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"George Z. Bush" wrote

Just for the record, Jack, during WWII, the 8th Air Force sustained more casualties over
Europe than the entire United States Marine Corps did world-wide throughout the entire
war.

Dying doesn't make you tough.

"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
...
Jack G wrote:
OK Art, tell that to a combat Marine - face to face. If all that
happens is
he asks you where you fought - and then laughs in your face when you
tell
him you will be a very lucky man.
Jack G.

Just for the record, Jack, during WWII, the 8th Air Force sustained more
casualties over Europe than the entire United States Marine Corps did
world-wide
throughout the entire war. If you don't believe me, just ask Google the
right
questions and they'll provide the same answer that I just did....I know
because
I've already done it.

You must have done it wrong. "Half of the U.S. Army Air Forces' casualties
in World War II were suffered by Eighth Air Force (more than 47,000
casualties with more than 26,000 dead)."
(http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...y/usaf/8af.htm )

USMC casualties for the war totalled some ninety thousand, out of some 669K
who served in the USMC. Last I heard 90K was more than 47K. True, more 8th
AF personnel *died* in combat than Marines, but that is not what you said.

Your use of "casualty" is normally inclusive of wounded, deaths due to other
than combat causes, and MIA.

Brooks


George Z.

ArtKramr wrote:

How come you didn't join the Marines and volunteer for the Pacific?


The Army Air Corps was a tougher outift that took higher losses.

When you joined this was not only uncertain, but being touted as highly
unlikely, so don't give us this line of crap about joining because you knew
where the toughest action was going to be. The USAAF may have taken more
caualties in gross numbers, but the USMC in the Pacific had a much higher
percentage rate. Do a google on Tarawa.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: (BUFDRVR)
Date: 9/5/2004 11:52 AM Pacific Standard Time
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ArtKramr wrote:

How come you didn't join the Marines and volunteer for the Pacific?


The Army Air Corps was a tougher outift that took higher losses.

When you joined this was not only uncertain, but being touted as highly
unlikely, so don't give us this line of crap about joining because you knew
where the toughest action was going to be. The USAAF may have taken more
caualties in gross numbers, but the USMC in the Pacific had a much higher
percentage rate. Do a google on Tarawa.


BUFDRVR


Get back to me after you have fought in a real war. You are all ****ed up. The
Army AIr Corps had the highest percentage But you fought in neither the AAC or
the Mairnes. so what the hell do you know about anything?

..
Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"ArtKramr" wrote

Get back to me after you have fought in a real war. You are all ****ed up. The
Army AIr Corps had the highest percentage But you fought in neither the AAC or
the Mairnes. so what the hell do you know about anything?

You're full of ****. You didn't join the Marines because you were scared,
and too skinny to fight your way out of a paper bag. You signed-up to ride
around in an airplane at the governments expense, take the cash, and the
heated barracks, and lay around like a ****ing queen, while real men fought.

You're basically a whore.

From: (ArtKramr)
Date: 9/5/2004 2:26 PM Central Daylight Time
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Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: (BUFDRVR)
Date: 9/5/2004 11:52 AM Pacific Standard Time
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ArtKramr wrote:

How come you didn't join the Marines and volunteer for the Pacific?


The Army Air Corps was a tougher outift that took higher losses.

When you joined this was not only uncertain, but being touted as highly
unlikely, so don't give us this line of crap about joining because you knew
where the toughest action was going to be. The USAAF may have taken more
caualties in gross numbers, but the USMC in the Pacific had a much higher
percentage rate. Do a google on Tarawa.


BUFDRVR


Get back to me after you have fought in a real war. You are all ****ed up.
The
Army AIr Corps had the highest percentage But you fought in neither the AAC
or
the Mairnes. so what the hell do you know about anything?

.
Arthur Kramer


You weren't in the AAC either, art. It went out of business in 1941. You were
in the USAAF.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

ArtKramr wrote:

Get back to me after you have fought in a real war.

Which by your definition would be impossible. The only Kramer recognized "real
war" was the ETO between 1943-1945. Since my parents were both born in 1944, by
birth I was assured of not fighting in a Kramer recognized "real war".

You are sad, sad old man....

The
Army AIr Corps had the highest percentage

Wrong.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Why did Bush join the National Guard instrae do the Army, Navy or Air
Force?
why?


Why do you believe that everyone who served in the National Guard during
Vietnam is some kind of traitor?

Bush was a fighter pilot for 3 years, carrying out a vital national interest
during the cold war. And we all know that the F102 was not a particularly
safe, nor easy to fly aircraft. This is not the profile of someone who shuns
either danger or responsibility, nor of one who lacks intelligence.

And for the record, when a proposal was floated to send F102s to Vietnam,
Bush put his name in as a volunteer, however the powers that be decided not
to use the plane.

ubject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "Thomas J. Paladino Jr."
Date: 9/5/2004 10:03 AM Pacific Standard Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
...
Why did Bush join the National Guard instrae do the Army, Navy or Air
Force?
why?


Why do you believe that everyone who served in the National Guard during
Vietnam is some kind of traitor?

Bush was a fighter pilot for 3 years, carrying out a vital national interest
during the cold war. And we all know that the F102 was not a particularly
safe, nor easy to fly aircraft. This is not the profile of someone who shuns
either danger or responsibility, nor of one who lacks intelligence.

And for the record, when a proposal was floated to send F102s to Vietnam,
Bush put his name in as a volunteer, however the powers that be decided not
to use the plane.

Bush refused to vounteer. And he did it in writing.

..

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer