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"SD" c o f l y i n g @ p c i s y s d o t n e t wrote in message
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On 15 May 2004 05:04:37 GMT, Tony wrote:

Have you came close to be in a mid air. Today was the most I flew in one
day around 6hours in the plane total and have never been closer to being
in a mid.

Thats a lot better then what I saw today. I was with one of my
students today in the pattern at KCOS doing touch and go's on 17R when
a C17 Galaxy came in for a landing on 12. The controller told us that
we were #2 for the intersection and to continue our downwind with the
C17 being #1. Ok, I didnt have a problem with that, we were going to
be way ahead of him so no problem. Then the controller asked us to do
a short approach for 17R in front of the C17. Still no problem, its
time for a simulated engine failure for my student. We got down ok,
and proceeded to take off again when I heard the tower clear the C17
for a breakaway to the right. Hmm, I thought he was going to make a
full stop but he didnt. Because of his speed, he was already on base
again for 12 just as we were turning crosswind for 17R. Another C172
had joined us in the pattern at this time and they were in front of us
on downwind. I pointed out both A/C to my student and told him that I
did not like what I was seeing. The tower has said nothing to us or
the other 172 about the C17 and I felt that we were going to be close
to converging if we did not do something. I asked the tower for a
left 360, which he approved. As we were turning, I could see that the
C172 in front of us was still climbing above normal TPA. Then the C17
came barreling through on final. I then saw that the C172 passed just
above the C17 just barely and the C17 pilot calling tower and asked
him if he knew that there was a small cessna just 200-300 feet above
him. The tower did not answer. As the C17 landed, he again called
tower and asked if he knew about the plane and the tower confirmed he
did. About 5 minutes after that, there was a new voice on tower freq.
Maybe a coincedence but im sure someone got a phone call.

Scott D.

Was it a class B, C or D airport?

Jay Honeck wrote:

These damned eyes kept me from joining the Air Force, and odds are that
they'll eventually cost me my medical.

If you're nearsighted, don't worry about it. Over the next ten years, your eyes will
get better. Of course, you'll still need bifocals, progressives, or, at least,
reading glasses.

George Patterson
I childproofed my house, but they *still* get in.

On Mon, 17 May 2004 00:49:32 GMT, "Dave Stadt"
wrote:


Was it a class B, C or D airport?


Class C.

Scott D.

These damned eyes kept me from joining the Air Force, and odds are that
they'll eventually cost me my medical.


I wouldn't worry about your eyes costing you your medical if you have no eye
disease. Simple nearsightedness usually decreases slightly in your 40's and
beyond. Certain types of astigmatism can increases slightly though, but it is
correctable with glasses. You only have to see 20/40 with glasses to pass your
3rd class medical. It sounds like you are in need of bifocals if you cant read
the sectional after getting new glasses however.

Mtch, an eye doc.
Luscombe 8a,
cessna 195

SD wrote:
On 15 May 2004 05:04:37 GMT, Tony wrote:


Have you came close to be in a mid air. Today was the most I flew in one
day around 6hours in the plane total and have never been closer to being
in a mid.


Thats a lot better then what I saw today. I was with one of my
students today in the pattern at KCOS doing touch and go's on 17R when
a C17 Galaxy came in for a landing on 12. The controller told us that
we were #2 for the intersection and to continue our downwind with the
C17 being #1. Ok, I didnt have a problem with that, we were going to
be way ahead of him so no problem. Then the controller asked us to do
a short approach for 17R in front of the C17. Still no problem, its
time for a simulated engine failure for my student. We got down ok,
and proceeded to take off again when I heard the tower clear the C17
for a breakaway to the right. Hmm, I thought he was going to make a
full stop but he didnt. Because of his speed, he was already on base
again for 12 just as we were turning crosswind for 17R. Another C172
had joined us in the pattern at this time and they were in front of us
on downwind. I pointed out both A/C to my student and told him that I
did not like what I was seeing. The tower has said nothing to us or
the other 172 about the C17 and I felt that we were going to be close
to converging if we did not do something. I asked the tower for a
left 360, which he approved. As we were turning, I could see that the
C172 in front of us was still climbing above normal TPA. Then the C17
came barreling through on final. I then saw that the C172 passed just
above the C17 just barely and the C17 pilot calling tower and asked
him if he knew that there was a small cessna just 200-300 feet above
him. The tower did not answer. As the C17 landed, he again called
tower and asked if he knew about the plane and the tower confirmed he
did. About 5 minutes after that, there was a new voice on tower freq.
Maybe a coincedence but im sure someone got a phone call.

Did the tower controller have some responsibility for separation?

Dave
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"Dave Butler" wrote in message
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Did the tower controller have some responsibility for separation?

Yes.

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Did the tower controller have some responsibility for separation?


Yes.

OK, your credentials certainly trump mine when it comes to tower
responsibilities. Please enlighten me. I was thinking the tower was only
responsible for separation on the concrete, not in the pattern.

Dave
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Newps wrote:
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Did the tower controller have some responsibility for separation?


Yes.

OK, your credentials certainly trump mine when it comes to tower
responsibilities. Please enlighten me. I was thinking the tower was only
responsible for separation on the concrete, not in the pattern.



You can't launch a plane right at another plane and not say anything. The
FAA buys that airplane everytime.