737 vs glider

Anyone have more details about it? In particular, was the glider equipped with transponder? This is not good rep for us, but could have been worse.
https://thepointsguy.com/2017/09/uni...00000080461661

Ramy

On Monday, September 25, 2017 at 8:15:59 PM UTC-7, Ramy wrote:
Anyone have more details about it? In particular, was the glider equipped with transponder? This is not good rep for us, but could have been worse.
https://thepointsguy.com/2017/09/uni...00000080461661

Ramy


Found it. 19:45 UTC at 7075'MSL, 10 mi NE of Rockford, IL. ASH-26E topping out in a thermal and 737 exiting a brief hold - same altitude and the same location within a mile or less as near as I can tell.

There's only one flight posted on OLC for the Chicago area today. If there was buddy flying I guess it could have been the other one.

Andy Blackburn
9B

We're not far north of the mode C veil around EWR and others. ATC brings jets through above cloudbase on weekends since we can be there and currently don't need a transponder. Otherwise, they come through about 5-6K'AGL and we are about 540'MSL.

Yes, we've had days of 10K' bases in southern NY. It pays to not run the wispies in the corridor and to look "up track" every so often.

(Yes, I know this incident happened on a Monday.....).

On Monday, September 25, 2017 at 10:36:08 PM UTC-7, Andy Blackburn wrote:
On Monday, September 25, 2017 at 8:15:59 PM UTC-7, Ramy wrote:
Anyone have more details about it? In particular, was the glider equipped with transponder? This is not good rep for us, but could have been worse..
https://thepointsguy.com/2017/09/uni...00000080461661

Ramy


Found it. 19:45 UTC at 7075'MSL, 10 mi NE of Rockford, IL. ASH-26E topping out in a thermal and 737 exiting a brief hold - same altitude and the same location within a mile or less as near as I can tell.

There's only one flight posted on OLC for the Chicago area today. If there was buddy flying I guess it could have been the other one.

Andy Blackburn
9B

So early days, and little hard information, I do hope we find out that glider involved (if it was even this ASH26E, or even a glider at all) had a working transponder and there is more to this story.

It's easy to just think of the distance to (very busy) Class B and C airspace here and for that reason alone I would hope pilots flying cross country in that general area would make a decision to equip with transponders.

But in addition to general proximity to Class B and C airspace it's also useful to be aware of traffic routes feeding that airspace, and in this situation, the location Andy suspects lies close to a VOR, under a victor airway, and on a O'Hare STAR route. You can see hold locations marked on the enroute chart near the Janesville VOR https://skyvector.com/?ll=42.4454992...art=428&zoom=3. Looking at those IFR charts is a good starting point to seeing what is likely to be around.

The Janesville Eight STAR (https://www.airnav.com/airport/ord) into O'Hare puts aircraft near where the ASH25E seems to have been, at the same altitude range. There should be no surprise there is IFR traffic, fast jets and airliners there and because of that a practical need for transponders for gliders who are flying at those altitudes in that area.

Anyhow posting these enroute and STAR examples are intended to encourage pilots to do some research and be aware of traffic routes around busy airspace they fly near. Don't forget to look at SID routes as well. I hope all that and much more is know to folks locally near where this occurred, and I still hope we find any glider involved actually had a transponder and it was being used.

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'Seems highly unlikely that the glider had a transponder, else the 737 would / should have received an alert / warning from controllers.

I personally wouldn't want to fly a sailplane in a busy area like that w/o a transponder.

When i look at the "flight track" image in the cited article, i'm not at all able to tell which "right turn" would have been the emergency maneuver. Nothing (at least compared to all others) appears "extreme". Perhaps the resolution of the tracking doesn't allow for it.


Karl
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Boulder CO (another very busy airspace)

On Monday, September 25, 2017 at 10:15:59 PM UTC-5, Ramy wrote:
Anyone have more details about it? In particular, was the glider equipped with transponder? This is not good rep for us, but could have been worse.
https://thepointsguy.com/2017/09/uni...00000080461661

Ramy

Last Friday, Sept. 22, when soaring south of Ionia, MI (somewhere on Grand Rapids and Lansing line), I suddenly saw a business jet (size of Cessna Citation or bigger) crossing in front and above, probably less then a 1000' higher than myself (5K-6K MSL altitude). Whether he saw me or not, I don't know. That close encounter and the incident described in this thread make me even more convinced: ADS-B for ALL (including gliders and drones) is the future. Very near future...

On Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 8:00:40 AM UTC-7, Tom BravoMike wrote:
On Monday, September 25, 2017 at 10:15:59 PM UTC-5, Ramy wrote:
Anyone have more details about it? In particular, was the glider equipped with transponder? This is not good rep for us, but could have been worse..
https://thepointsguy.com/2017/09/uni...00000080461661

Ramy

Last Friday, Sept. 22, when soaring south of Ionia, MI (somewhere on Grand Rapids and Lansing line), I suddenly saw a business jet (size of Cessna Citation or bigger) crossing in front and above, probably less then a 1000' higher than myself (5K-6K MSL altitude). Whether he saw me or not, I don't know. That close encounter and the incident described in this thread make me even more convinced: ADS-B for ALL (including gliders and drones) is the future. Very near future...

And including Air Force jets! It's been ****ing me off this year to have near encounters with fighter jets that don't emit ADS-B on training flights in shared airspace. It's just asinine that the Air Force hasn't got it done yet and says they won't meet 2020 (per an article I read).

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Indeed, from back in March of '16:

https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/...ads-b-deadline


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I like this part most:
"It will cost $2.5 million for the aircraft that need it".

Mr. President , can you look into it, please...


On Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 1:07:25 PM UTC-5, wrote:
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Indeed, from back in March of '16:

https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/...ads-b-deadline


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On Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 11:23:46 AM UTC-4, Steve Koerner wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 8:00:40 AM UTC-7, Tom BravoMike wrote:
On Monday, September 25, 2017 at 10:15:59 PM UTC-5, Ramy wrote:
Anyone have more details about it? In particular, was the glider equipped with transponder? This is not good rep for us, but could have been worse.
https://thepointsguy.com/2017/09/uni...00000080461661

Ramy

Last Friday, Sept. 22, when soaring south of Ionia, MI (somewhere on Grand Rapids and Lansing line), I suddenly saw a business jet (size of Cessna Citation or bigger) crossing in front and above, probably less then a 1000' higher than myself (5K-6K MSL altitude). Whether he saw me or not, I don't know. That close encounter and the incident described in this thread make me even more convinced: ADS-B for ALL (including gliders and drones) is the future. Very near future...

And including Air Force jets! It's been ****ing me off this year to have near encounters with fighter jets that don't emit ADS-B on training flights in shared airspace. It's just asinine that the Air Force hasn't got it done yet and says they won't meet 2020 (per an article I read).

I was on downwind to land my Taurus on a small strip in the Virginia Blue Ridge Mountains. My transponder started blinking which does not normally happen in mountain valleys. Then two F-16s whizzed by at the same (very low) altitude not much more that 500 ft away. I do not know if they saw me. I have an appointment to get ADS-B installed next week and wonder if it will help.