Taking the pledge

On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 21:40:30 -0800, Mike 'Flyin'8'
wrote in
:

Has anyone thought about using a program that looks a certain
individuals name and immediatly issues a usenet message cancel based
upon said users name and the newly posted subject?

So you're implying that you'd like to give the troll the power to
drive you to fraudulent behavior in a worldwide forum? :-(

On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 01:00:39 -0500, "Morgans"
wrote in :

What do we need to do to get this thing going. Will someone take
responsibility to get this working for us?


GROW UP. Take responsibility for your own Usenet experience, and
learn a little restraint. No one is forcing you to read his words,
and no one is making you respond to them. Only you have the power to
take control of your Usenet experience, and you need to personally
take responsibility for it instead of blaming others.

Usenet is the only egalitarian forum of which I'm aware. That's what
makes it so unique, and special: EVERYONE has the same right to
access. Attempting to change that by committing fraud says more about
your morals than you'd probably really care to reveal publicly.

Take a few deep breaths, and realize you have only two legitimate
choices on Usenet: whether to read an article or not, and whether to
post an article or not. That's it. Nothing more.

On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 22:19:51 -0800, Mike 'Flyin'8'
wrote in
:

I have only tried it on my own posts, so I am not sure
about thrid party cancels... I see no reason it shouldn't work.

To suggest fraudulently canceling message is irresponsible, and
contrary to EVERY Usenet providers Use Agreement. It will, or should,
get your Usenet account terminated.

Jay Honeck wrote:
Okay, folks, enough is enough. We've got good, long-term, high
quality pilots seriously discussing vandalizing someone's website,
because of said someone's troll-dom.

In the past, I have defended said troll, and lambasted said vandals,
but have now come to realize that this troll is obviously so divisive
and upsetting to some that this issue risks tearing apart the very
fabric of rec.aviation.

I personally find this amazing (he truly doesn't bother me that much)
but, in the interest of keeping this newsgroup intact and (relatively)
harmonious, I hereby publically make the following pledges, and urge
others to join me he

1. I will not respond to MX's posts.
2. I will not lambaste MX on these newsgroups.
3. I will not vandalize MX's website.

All in favor, say "aye"...

Absolutely. Then again, I began this several months ago when a plonked
him. I now only am bothered by all of the replies to his posts ... and
that is bad enough.

Matt

On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 01:52:36 -0500, "Morgans"
wrote in :

It's above my head, for sure.

Thankfully.

It seems many things concerning Usenet are over your head. Do a
little research to educate yourself, and learn some self-restraint
instead of empowering the troll to drive you to publicly committing
fraudulent acts.

Perhaps you've failed to study the appropriate Netiquette:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855

3.1.3 NetNews Guidelines

NetNews is a globally distributed system which allows people to
communicate on topics of specific interest. It is divided into
hierarchies, with the major divisions being: sci - science related
discussions; comp - computer related discussions; news - for
discussions which center around NetNews itself; rec - recreational
activities; soc - social issues; talk - long-winded never-ending
discussions; biz - business related postings; and alt - the
alternate hierarchy. Alt is so named because creating an alt group
does not go through the same process as creating a group in the
other parts of the hierarchy. There are also regional hierarchies,
hierarchies which are widely distributed such as Bionet, and your
place of business may have its own groups as well. Recently, a
"humanities" hierarchy was added, and as time goes on its likely
more will be added. For longer discussions on News see references
[2,8,22,23] in the Selected Bibliography.

- In NetNews parlance, "Posting" refers to posting a new article
to a group, or responding to a post someone else has posted.
"Cross-Posting" refers to posting a message to more than one
group. If you introduce Cross-Posting to a group, or if you
direct "Followup-To:" in the header of your posting, warn
readers! Readers will usually assume that the message was
posted to a specific group and that followups will go to
that group. Headers change this behavior.

- Read all of a discussion in progress (we call this a thread)
before posting replies. Avoid posting "Me Too" messages,
where content is limited to agreement with previous posts.
Content of a follow-up post should exceed quoted content.

- Send mail when an answer to a question is for one person only.
Remember that News has global distribution and the whole world
probably is NOT interested in a personal response. However,
don't hesitate to post when something will be of general
interest to the Newsgroup participants.

- Check the "Distribution" section of the header, but don't
depend on it. Due to the complex method by which News is
delivered, Distribution headers are unreliable. But, if you
are posting something which will be of interest to a limited
number or readers, use a distribution line that attempts to
limit the distribution of your article to those people. For
example, set the Distribution to be "nj" if you are posting
an article that will be of interest only to New Jersey readers.





Hambridge Informational [Page
11]

RFC 1855 Netiquette Guidelines October
1995


- If you feel an article will be of interest to more than one
Newsgroup, be sure to CROSSPOST the article rather than
individually post it to those groups. In general, probably only
five-to-six groups will have similar enough interests to warrant
this.

- Consider using Reference sources (Computer Manuals, Newspapers,
help files) before posting a question. Asking a Newsgroup where
answers are readily available elsewhere generates grumpy "RTFM"
(read the fine manual - although a more vulgar meaning of the
word beginning with "f" is usually implied) messages.

- Although there are Newsgroups which welcome advertising,
in general it is considered nothing less than criminal
to advertise off-topic products. Sending an advertisement
to each and every group will pretty much guarantee your loss of
connectivity.

- If you discover an error in your post, cancel it as soon as
possible.

- DO NOT attempt to cancel any articles but your own. Contact
your administrator if you don't know how to cancel your post,
or if some other post, such as a chain letter, needs canceling.

- If you've posted something and don't see it immediately,
don't assume it's failed and re-post it.

- Some groups permit (and some welcome) posts which in other
circumstances would be considered to be in questionable taste.
Still, there is no guarantee that all people reading the group
will appreciate the material as much as you do. Use the Rotate
utility (which rotates all the characters in your post by 13
positions in the alphabet) to avoid giving offense. The
Rot13 utility for Unix is an example.

- In groups which discuss movies or books it is considered
essential to mark posts which disclose significant content as
"Spoilers". Put this word in your Subject: line. You may add
blank lines to the beginning of your post to keep content out of
sight, or you may Rotate it.

- Forging of news articles is generally censured. You can protect
yourself from forgeries by using software which generates a
manipulation detection "fingerprint", such as PGP (in the US).

- Postings via anonymous servers are accepted in some Newsgroups
and disliked in others. Material which is inappropriate when
posted under one's own name is still inappropriate when posted
anonymously.

- Expect a slight delay in seeing your post when posting to a
moderated group. The moderator may change your subject
line to have your post conform to a particular thread.

- Don't get involved in flame wars. Neither post nor respond
to incendiary material.

Recently, Jay Honeck posted:

Okay, folks, enough is enough. We've got good, long-term, high
quality pilots seriously discussing vandalizing someone's website,
because of said someone's troll-dom.

In the past, I have defended said troll, and lambasted said vandals,
but have now come to realize that this troll is obviously so divisive
and upsetting to some that this issue risks tearing apart the very
fabric of rec.aviation.

I personally find this amazing (he truly doesn't bother me that much)
but, in the interest of keeping this newsgroup intact and (relatively)
harmonious, I hereby publically make the following pledges, and urge
others to join me he

1. I will not respond to MX's posts.
2. I will not lambaste MX on these newsgroups.
3. I will not vandalize MX's website.

All in favor, say "aye"...

I think that more practical suggestions have already been made. For
example, one recent suggestion was to answer legitimate questions and
correct inaccurate information regardless of the originator, and avoid
arguing with those that just want to disrupt. Much easier, more civil,
covers more than just mx's posts and keeps the traffic on topic.

Neil

"Neil Gould" wrote

I think that more practical suggestions have already been made. For
example, one recent suggestion was to answer legitimate questions and
correct inaccurate information regardless of the originator, and avoid
arguing with those that just want to disrupt. Much easier, more civil,
covers more than just mx's posts and keeps the traffic on topic.

Could you go along with this proposal, if it is the wishes of the majority
of the group?
--
Jim in NC

On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 07:03:27 GMT, "Mike Young"
wrote in
:

Taken to it's logical conclusion, after
removing all messages that any one of us finds offensive will leave us with
exactly nothing left.

At last a Netizen who's reason triumphs over his emotions. Thank you
for lighting the lamp for these newbies who would destroy Usenet.

"Morgans" wrote:

One question, though. What is the punishment for breaking the pledge?




Defaulters are sentenced to 30 days in alt.disasters.aviation.

--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

I just don't want to see this group reduced to flame wars, like I've
seen in other groups.

All we have to do is not engage in flame wars. It's quite simple.

Jose
--
Humans are pack animals. Above all things, they have a deep need to
follow something, be it a leader, a creed, or a mob. Whosoever fully
understands this holds the world in his hands.
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