Ventus rigging advice, please?

On Thursday, June 27, 2019 at 2:35:38 PM UTC-7, Martin Gregorie wrote:

Not even that. Its single pin vs two pin spar designs. I've flown and
rigged both, single pin (Discus, Libelle, SZD Junior) and two-pin
(Pegase, ASW-20).

For my money a two-pin system is easier to rig because, once both wings
are fully home on the drag pins its just a matter of moving a tip up or
down until the first wing pin slips in. Then the second pin usually just
slides in without fuss.

By contrast, with a single pin system you have six or seven pins to line
up exactly (drag pins on both wings plus the two or three spigots on the
spar ends) before both wings will fit far enough in for you to even think
of putting the main pin in. This often involves considerable faffing
about and strange mutterings. Then the main pin goes in without any
trouble. FWIW Libelles and Kestrels can be easier to rig than SH gliders
because all pins and sockets are out in the open.


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Agreed, Martin. Possibly the same with a JS3, since due to space constraints it uses the one pin and more-to-align technique. At least with the JS3 a side-hinged canopy isn't in the way.

Tim, please explain the brute force bit.
Is it the brutal hydraulic trailer ramp jack used to align the second spar pin? I really miss that simple assembly technique on the Duo.
Jim

On Friday, 28 June 2019 00:17:03 UTC+3, Tim Taylor wrote:
Nothing wrong with SH, it just takes skill rather than brute force to rig one.

Yes it takes skill or bag of tricks which is not needed with 2 pin wing.

On Friday, June 28, 2019 at 5:58:25 PM UTC+1, krasw wrote:
On Friday, 28 June 2019 00:17:03 UTC+3, Tim Taylor wrote:
Nothing wrong with SH, it just takes skill rather than brute force to rig one.

Yes it takes skill or bag of tricks which is not needed with 2 pin wing.

I remain to be convinced about that as a generalisation. My ex-JS1c and current ASH 26e with 2 non-tapered pins need to be incredibly accurately aligned to get the pins in and can sometimes can be very frustrating. OTOH a previous LS7 with 2 x well tapered pins was very easy. I have had 5 single pin SH gliders (and a 6th soon) and all were fine to rig albeit a bit tight for the first few riggings if new.

On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 5:00:05 AM UTC-4, John McLaughlin wrote:
I've recently started flying a Ventus2. I can't rig the thing without a lot
of
struggle. The trouble is, there's a cover above the spars and you can't see

anything once the first wing is in.

I struggle to get the second wing to fit, never knowing whether it's a bit
too
high or a bit too low. The ground is uneven and sloping, which doesn't
help.

I hope some Ventus owners can give me some tips, please?

All about technique
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcRipsiPgdk
UH

On Friday, June 28, 2019 at 12:54:02 PM UTC-6, wrote:
On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 5:00:05 AM UTC-4, John McLaughlin wrote:
I've recently started flying a Ventus2. I can't rig the thing without a lot
of
struggle. The trouble is, there's a cover above the spars and you can't see

anything once the first wing is in.

I struggle to get the second wing to fit, never knowing whether it's a bit
too
high or a bit too low. The ground is uneven and sloping, which doesn't
help.

I hope some Ventus owners can give me some tips, please?

All about technique
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcRipsiPgdk
UH

That was impressive!

Mike

It gets better. I've been solo rigging almost every time since 1982 when I built my first WingMate for my LS-3, knowing my mother would never make it thru a full Nationals crewing for me without some help.

But my REAL first solo rigging was with some foam pads, one conventional wingstand, and the hood of our car. My father wasn't around to help me assemble our Libelle 201--or to stop me from experimenting. I can't recall whether I told him what I'd done or not.

Chip Bearden
JB

At 21:27 28 June 2019, Mike C wrote:
On Friday, June 28, 2019 at 12:54:02 PM UTC-6,
wrote:
On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 5:00:05 AM UTC-4, John
McLaughlin wrote:
I've recently started flying a Ventus2. I can't rig the thing
without a
lot
of
struggle. The trouble is, there's a cover above the spars and
you can't
see

anything once the first wing is in.

I struggle to get the second wing to fit, never knowing
whether it's a
bit
too
high or a bit too low. The ground is uneven and sloping,
which doesn't
help.

I hope some Ventus owners can give me some tips, please?

All about technique
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcRipsiPgdk
UH

That was impressive!

Mike
`````````remember this!

https://youtu.be/Huk_WOxk1oc

That was really fun to watch!Â* ...But I would personally want to wiggle
everything before launching...

On 6/29/2019 1:29 AM, Jonathon May wrote:
At 21:27 28 June 2019, Mike C wrote:
On Friday, June 28, 2019 at 12:54:02 PM UTC-6,
wrote:
On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 5:00:05 AM UTC-4, John
McLaughlin wrote:
I've recently started flying a Ventus2. I can't rig the thing
without a
lot
of
struggle. The trouble is, there's a cover above the spars and
you can't
see
anything once the first wing is in.

I struggle to get the second wing to fit, never knowing
whether it's a
bit
too
high or a bit too low. The ground is uneven and sloping,
which doesn't
help.

I hope some Ventus owners can give me some tips, please?
All about technique
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcRipsiPgdk
UH
That was impressive!

Mike
`````````remember this!

https://youtu.be/Huk_WOxk1oc


--
Dan, 5J

Poisitve control check?


`````````remember this!

https://youtu.be/Huk_WOxk1oc

"The trouble is, there's a cover above the spars and you can't see
anything once the first wing is in."

On mine, the cover slides back further to fit behind the spars.

Might be worth making sure there is no gap behind your's.