Leaving the community

But don't let intelligence or logic, pry you away from your blissful
ignorance. I hope one day, people like you will learn to challenge and
learn more about what they are told as fact FROM ANY SOURCE,,, then we
will REALLY have a great Nation.

A mind is truly a terrible thing to waste..........

Sorry, Cecil -- I called it as I saw it. I just couldn't vote for Kerry.

And yes, I did watch ALL of the video-taped hearings, just like you.

Let me add the obvious, incendiary words that I was diplomatically trying to
avoid using: The Democrats would own the White House right now, TODAY, if
they had nominated a centrist who didn't back-stab his compatriots during
wartime. Everything else Kerry's done, before or since, pales to
insignificance in the shadow of that action.

It's got to really suck to be Dick Gephardt today, knowing this fact.
Gephardt's no dummy, and now he's too old to run again -- but I'm sure he
knows in his heart that the White House was his for the taking -- if only
his party had given him the chance.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

David Brooks wrote:

One thing - one of so very many things - I learned in my five years of
flying is that partisan politics does not fit into the cockpit. Most of my
flight instructors have, I know, been to the right of me politically. I had
a most enjoyable flight with CJ - although he has since earned my undying
enmity by unapologetically using the term "Final Solution" in connection
with me and people like me, an astonishing thought coming from an avowedly
religious man, but telling and apt.

What prompted this outburst?


But now it seems the nation has, albeit by a slim margin, re-elected a weak,
hypocritical, murderous coward. Three years ago, when some writers on the
left started talking about fascism, I thought that an absurd stretch. No
longer. The parallels are not precise - they never are - but the broad sweep
and many of the components of a new fascist state are in place. The 48% who
didn't vote for this disaster keep knocking on my consciousness, but they
are now feeble and impotent. The thugs are in charge.

That being so, and despite what should be an apolitical setting, I can no
longer in good faith keep company with a group of which the majority, I
know, has elected to deliver the country I love, and chose as my home, into
the hands of Bush and his repressive, regressive masters.

So long. Thanks for all the conversations. You guys have made me a better
pilot.

What was that comment about being a coward?


Matt

Cecil Chapman wrote:

Kerry was far left? How, where?

You can't be serious. Guns, gay marriage, taxes, the UN. His positions
are far left. You may not agree but they are.

Newps wrote:



Mike Rapoport wrote:
They will

figure out these errors and try to correct them.


I doubt it. Substitute Kerry for Gore. Same result. The country just
doesn't believe the same things Kerry does. Look at the 11 states that
had gay marriage on the ballot. All 11 passed and it wasn't even close,
double digits in most states. One state not only passed that but
eliminated civil unions.

I'm thinking of moving to a state like yours (SD, right?). I've lived
in PA all my life, but it is becoming such a liberal cesspool that I may
have to retire elsewehere. The good thing is that I live in the
northcentral part that still has a grasp on morality and decency, but we
are outnumbered by Philly and Pitt so the overall state vote is a disaster.


Matt

Jay Honeck wrote:



It's got to really suck to be Dick Gephardt today, knowing this fact.
Gephardt's no dummy, and now he's too old to run again -- but I'm sure he
knows in his heart that the White House was his for the taking -- if only
his party had given him the chance.

Gephardt isn't the one. You want a centrist Dem, you pick Lieberman.

C Kingsbury wrote:

My dream team is Giuliani-Rice. Not likely to happen but the Red Sox weren't
supposed to beat the Yankees after being down 0-3 either. That team could
put nearly the entire country in play.

Mine is Giuliani-Powell. Nothing against Rice, but I've been impressed
with Powell since he first came on the scene in Desert Storm.


Matt

Cecil Chapman wrote:

Stupidly, they nominated a guy whose political positions were to the left
of Ted Kennedy's, absolutely ensuring a Bush victory.

There were many traditional Republicans out here -- myself included -- who
would have voted for a conservative Democrat in this election. But there
was just no way for any of us to vote for a guy like Kerry.

The moral for the Democrats: Don't ever nominate an ultra liberal to run
for president again.


I have often wondered how some people come to the conclusions that they do.
Jay,,, for goodness sake you sound like you are a sock-puppet mouthing the
words of his puppeteer (Bush - who was famous for the 'Kerry's just like T.
Kennedy' line). Kerry was far left? How, where? If anything he was as
centrist as Clinton was. You'd think he belonged to the Communist party to
hear the prattle that is coming off of your tongue.

So your definition of puppet is anyone who disagrees with you? He is
far left by almost any definition of the word. Pro nanny state and anti
individual rights.


Unlike the man whose words you mouth, Kerry didn't pull special favors to
get into the National Guard to avoid the draft (he VOLUNTEERED for duty),
Kerry was never arrested DUI, nor was he a cocaine user. While our boys
were ducking bullets and embroiled in a hopeless conflict - Bush was having
beer parties with the boys - occasionally remembering to show up for
National Guard duty. Also, I'll bet you never even took the time to watch
the footage of Kerry before the special hearing on Vietnam (which Bush would
refer to often, without even citing a single in-context quote from) when
Kerry spoke most eloquently without political bile of what was wrong with
the Vietnam War and how it was a mistake. He did this AFTER having been
there (something Bush in his petty cowardice, never did). He went there,
saw how things were going and recognized that we (the US) had made a
mistake. There wasn't a single misspoken word in his speech, back then (you
see, unlike you, I took it upon myself to view all the footage of the
hearing - before forming my opinions). Does integrity mean anything to you?

That's right. He volunteered for duty, took a camera to film himself,
scratched his arm to get back to the states where he could use his film
for political gain. Kind of like Michael Moore with a little more
subterfuge.


I worry about a country where there are individuals that can be so easily
molded with a political dogma and never bother to question or actively
challenge the ideas that are being presented to them. I've voted for
Democratic candidates, I've voted for Republican,,, you want to know why,
Jay? Because it is the benefit for the country that counts not 'belonging
to a club' and following their 'election charter' like some mindless
automaton.

Me too, but Jay never said that he did that.


Your candidate entered a war with an 'enemy' (Saddam) who had not attacked
us while the fellow that directly attacked us is running around, comfortably
making videos and apparently eating well. Bush claimed he was entering the
war to save the people from his cruel tyranny - but what about the massive
genocide that is going on in parts of Africa right now - I haven't heard a
peep from Bush about that, or China's human rights violations, or North
Korea's forming nuclear arsenal ---- Ooops,,,, wait,,,,, I get it
now,,,,,,,, there is no OIL in Africa where innocents are being slaughtered
every day,,, there is no OIL in North Korea.... Isn't it funny,,,, a
president who is against stem cell research (which only the ignorant don't
know) uses embryos and NOT fetuses, has BIG problems with using a frozen
embryo that must be discarded after a certain length of time,,,, BUT he will
NOT hesitate to sacrifice living, breathing, human beings in a war that had
NO business being fought (I'm talking about Iraq here). So, he will put
living human beings (including women and children involved in collateral
damage from bombings that go astray) in body bags,,, but wait! Don't ya
dare touch a frozen embryo in a 'cryogenics' freezer. Can YOU say ,
hypocrisy? God forbid, that you are your loved one needs medical aid that
some new stem cell technology could offer.

I tend to agree that we went into Iraq too soon, but then I don't know
what Bush knew or at least thought he knew. I'm amazed that people
think they they know everything the President knows. We won't know for
40 years what REALLY prompted the invasion.


If there is any hope for our country, it will be when people learn to
abandon their mindless following of party affiliation and do as I (and
others) do; simply vote for the best man/woman for the job.

I agree. Bush was clearly the best candidate of those from which we had
to choose. It didn't even require much brain power to figure that out.


But don't let intelligence or logic, pry you away from your blissful
ignorance. I hope one day, people like you will learn to challenge and
learn more about what they are told as fact FROM ANY SOURCE,,, then we will
REALLY have a great Nation.

Oh, so know disagreeing with you means one is ignorant rather than a
puppet. You are starting to sound like Kerry.


A mind is truly a terrible thing to waste..........

Yes, I feel truly sorry for what remains of yours.... :-)

Matt

Jay Honeck wrote:

But don't let intelligence or logic, pry you away from your blissful
ignorance. I hope one day, people like you will learn to challenge and
learn more about what they are told as fact FROM ANY SOURCE,,, then we
will REALLY have a great Nation.

A mind is truly a terrible thing to waste..........


Sorry, Cecil -- I called it as I saw it. I just couldn't vote for Kerry.

And yes, I did watch ALL of the video-taped hearings, just like you.

Let me add the obvious, incendiary words that I was diplomatically trying to
avoid using: The Democrats would own the White House right now, TODAY, if
they had nominated a centrist who didn't back-stab his compatriots during
wartime. Everything else Kerry's done, before or since, pales to
insignificance in the shadow of that action.

It's got to really suck to be Dick Gephardt today, knowing this fact.
Gephardt's no dummy, and now he's too old to run again -- but I'm sure he
knows in his heart that the White House was his for the taking -- if only
his party had given him the chance.

And even Edwards probably could have won ... being a lawyer
notwithstanding! :-)

I agree that Kerry was simply a bad choice by the Democrats. They had
other choices that could likely have won.

Matt

So sorry to hear that. Let us know how socialism/communism works out for
you. It did wonders for China, Cuba and CCCP.


"David Brooks" wrote in message
...
One thing - one of so very many things - I learned in my five years of
flying is that partisan politics does not fit into the cockpit. Most of my
flight instructors have, I know, been to the right of me politically. I
had
a most enjoyable flight with CJ - although he has since earned my undying
enmity by unapologetically using the term "Final Solution" in connection
with me and people like me, an astonishing thought coming from an avowedly
religious man, but telling and apt.

But now it seems the nation has, albeit by a slim margin, re-elected a
weak,
hypocritical, murderous coward. Three years ago, when some writers on the
left started talking about fascism, I thought that an absurd stretch. No
longer. The parallels are not precise - they never are - but the broad
sweep
and many of the components of a new fascist state are in place. The 48%
who
didn't vote for this disaster keep knocking on my consciousness, but they
are now feeble and impotent. The thugs are in charge.

That being so, and despite what should be an apolitical setting, I can no
longer in good faith keep company with a group of which the majority, I
know, has elected to deliver the country I love, and chose as my home,
into
the hands of Bush and his repressive, regressive masters.

So long. Thanks for all the conversations. You guys have made me a better
pilot.

-- David Brooks

Matt Whiting wrote:
C Kingsbury wrote:

My dream team is Giuliani-Rice. Not likely to happen but the Red Sox weren't
supposed to beat the Yankees after being down 0-3 either. That team could
put nearly the entire country in play.

Mine is Giuliani-Powell. Nothing against Rice, but I've been impressed
with Powell since he first came on the scene in Desert Storm.

Rice has never had an elected position, so I'm rather apprehensive
about that. As for Powell -- very unlikely as his family is very
much against it, and he's stated it.

On the other hand, if Rehnquist resigns, Sandra Day O'Connor is next
in line for Chief Justice of the Supremes! But as one pundit said today,
she's already got huge power as the swing vote all the time.