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Old September 14th 12, 02:46 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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One more wish list for the PCAS display but may require an upgrade from the Powerflarm as I don't know if it sends the Transponder code.
Would be nice on the PCAS Target it showed distance (as already requested) but would also be nice if it showed the the Transponder code. would be nice to know if the transponder is transmitting 1200, 1202, or an ATC assigned code.

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Old September 14th 12, 07:41 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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does that mean that in selection mode, once you selected a target, no other target will be selected automatically even if the one you selected already left or landed?

Yes. This is prett crucial for team-flying. In dangerous situations the warn screen automatically appears so this does not produce safety issues. Most importantly it helps reducing workload as the pilot does not have to select that much to keep his teampartner in focus. In europe only very few pilots seriously fly competitions without team partners.

Thanks for all the other wishes, we will add quite some functionality in the future and make sure to integrate your wishes as good as possible.

Cheers
Marc
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Old September 15th 12, 12:38 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Friday, September 14, 2012 2:41:38 AM UTC-4, Marc - Butterfly Avionics wrote:
does that mean that in selection mode, once you selected a target, no other target will be selected automatically even if the one you selected already left or landed?


Yes. This is prett crucial for team-flying. In dangerous situations the warn screen automatically appears so this does not produce safety issues. Most importantly it helps reducing workload as the pilot does not have to select that much to keep his teampartner in focus. In europe only very few pilots seriously fly competitions without team partners.



Thanks for all the other wishes, we will add quite some functionality in the future and make sure to integrate your wishes as good as possible.



Cheers

Marc


All the suggestions here so far are very important to me as well (especially making fonts bigger and making audio/visual PCAS alerts more obvious). If we do get more attention-getting audio as requested though we may want to also add the option for a "mute" function as well (perhaps by a simple press of the single knob). With all the transponder traffic near me the PF may never be quiet!

-Jim
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Old September 17th 12, 08:18 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Thursday, September 13, 2012 6:46:51 PM UTC-7, Brian wrote:
One more wish list for the PCAS display but may require an upgrade from the Powerflarm as I don't know if it sends the Transponder code.

Would be nice on the PCAS Target it showed distance (as already requested) but would also be nice if it showed the the Transponder code. would be nice to know if the transponder is transmitting 1200, 1202, or an ATC assigned code.



Brian


One more suggestion if I may:
It appears that the butterfly displays instantaneous rate of climb (as it fluctuates considerably). It will be much more useful if it would display average rate of climb. When glimpsing momentarily at the display to decide if/which thermal to join, it is hard to determine based on momentarily rate of climb.

Thanks,

Ramy
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Old September 17th 12, 12:31 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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RAMY: We already do significant filtering of the displayed climb rate-values. This filter needs to get some data to produce exact results, this is why at the beginning it fluctuates but ofter some seconds it gives you a very accurate value.
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Old September 17th 12, 05:08 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Great, thanks Marc. This makes sense as the targets I observed were new. So better wait some time before deciding which aircraft climbs better.

Ramy
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Old October 13th 12, 07:24 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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I've flown with my brick and butterfly rectangular display 3 times now. Sort of grudgingly getting used to seeing the red butterfly when there's nothing going on, but as configured it seems semi-useless. However:

If it were programed to flash to a blank screen and back a couple of times quickly as the PF detects traffic, it could help compensate for the feeble alert volume as the quick flash should attract attention in one's peripheral vision.

Thoughts?

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Old October 14th 12, 05:48 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Saturday, October 13, 2012 11:24:38 AM UTC-7, bumper wrote:
I've flown with my brick and butterfly rectangular display 3 times now. Sort of grudgingly getting used to seeing the red butterfly when there's nothing going on, but as configured it seems semi-useless. However:



If it were programed to flash to a blank screen and back a couple of times quickly as the PF detects traffic, it could help compensate for the feeble alert volume as the quick flash should attract attention in one's peripheral vision.



Thoughts?



bumper


This may work if the display is in your peripheral vision when it blinks, but not if you were scanning elsewhere or thermaling. Problem is that there is currently no audio alert when the screen switches from no traffic to traffic. There is only alert when there is collision risk. It will be much better if it will be programmed to provide an audio alert, even if faint, whenever the display switches to the radar display. I was surprised the first time I found out this wasn't the case.

Ramy
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Old October 14th 12, 04:39 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Ramy,

That seems a logical improvement, and would probably be a fairly easy software fix.

On the portable PF, I've added a bright LED using the audio out, and that works very well in my Husky - - no need to interface with headset audio and the light is all but impossible to ignore. Shame they didn't give us an audio out on the brick, as that would have solved the problem for us half-deaf old timers nicely (without having to get rid of us prematurely).

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Old October 14th 12, 07:54 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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I believe the reason why the brick does not have an audio jack is that it only produces NMEA sentences which are processed by the display which produces the audio alerts.

Ramy
 




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