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Old July 30th 20, 04:34 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On 7/30/20 8:16 AM, BobW wrote:


Cowabunga! An accident report done by someone knowledgeable of aviation
uninfected with the "headline virus." Watching this was a (pleasant)
first in my experience with "these sorts of events." Kudos to the
reporter and rescue-assisting pilot. "Well done!" all around.

Oh yeah. Sounds as if two glider pilots were Seriously Fortunate given
(as i infer) "the usual self-inflicted" circumstances. Can't help but
wonder who bore the salvage expenses...

Bob W.

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https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/216239

Duo Discus Turbo. Wonder if this as another case of over-reliance on
the motor?
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Old July 30th 20, 06:21 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Sunday, July 26, 2020 at 2:56:33 PM UTC-7, 2G wrote:
Good part was it was late in the day and there were no golfers on this hole:

https://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-3....l?dsId=8033935


I was in Hawaii when a glider went into the ocean in the 90's. Talking with the pilot several months after he recovered from his injuries was humbling. Due to his own mistakes of fly way too fast on downwind because he had to pee, the rudder of his Duster departed during flutter. The salty wet environment at Dillingham had degraded the plywood. With out a rudder he was experiencing huge yaw with any aileron input. He explained it was a choice of crash landing on the water or land . He choose the water thinking he stood a better chance of surviving. He recalled mentally being prepared for the plane to go inverted or submarine on impact. Having his hand on the belt release. The plane on touching the water, decelerated so quickly it tore the wings off and the cockpit disintegrated. Be went through the nose collecting huge splinters of wood in his legs. He survived only because of some local surfers came to his rescue. So water landings can be very violent on a choppy surface.
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Old July 30th 20, 06:24 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On 7/30/2020 9:34 AM, kinsell wrote:
....

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/216239

Duo Discus Turbo. Wonder if this as another case of over-reliance on the
motor?


Hey, it's drizzling & I'm retired...and so with indoor time on my hands, and
linking from the above to the BGA report:

https://members.gliding.co.uk/wp-con...cus-G-CJUM.pdf

And if the above link doesn't directly-pull-up the BGA pdf related to the
incident, then a post from MacLaren1 on Oct. 15, 2019 "well down" the comments
listing has the link that got me there...

https://www.pprune.org/accidents-clo...hy-head-2.html

As earlier surmised/inferred, "Nothing new to learn here," likely applies to
the more thoughtful/curious/self-aware "glider-flying types"...yet GOBS to
absorb for those not quite-yet so jaundiced. F'r'example (and in no particular
order): avoid "getthereitis"; ALWAYS have (at least) a Plan B; could this be
*you*? [excerpted from the BGA report - "The theory states that individuals
make their decisions based on the potential value of losses and gains rather
than the final overall outcome."]

Bob W.

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Old July 30th 20, 10:33 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Wednesday, July 29, 2020 at 5:04:40 PM UTC-7, John Cochrane wrote:
This is a great and informative post. Thanks.

Daydreams are the little spur marked with a hang glider takeoff, N of king's beach? Well, I guess if you're desperate it could be a place to park and contemplate your fate. Moutain shoulders have never worked for me. Maybe with a good S component.

These days, a good glide computer set to Mc 4 glide compensates for a lot of altitude rules!

Yeah, the back higher ridge at snow looks inviting -- don't be invited.

The goal is a few more options. Yes, the golf course, if empty. If not, we need at least a place to crash and walk away from it. I put the swamp in that category, but it needs walking to find the post, fence, etc. that one can see from satellite photo.

I'm still in the category that I have to feel the ridge lift before losing glide to Carson over the back. Of course a little iron courage in behind my shoulders helps a lot to give up early!

John Cochrane


Yes, Daydreams is the ridge pointing SSW towards Kings Beach that the hang gliders use. It is better the higher on it you are, and better in a SW wind.. Much of the historical mythology of saves across the lake come from years past, when the wind tended to be more dependably SW in the afternoon. In the last 5 - 10 years or so, this has become less prevalent, with more W and even N winds.

Like you, the iron thermals in the back have made me more conservative in these situations, not more aggressive as many seem to believe. I know that the retrieve from Carson (starting the engine above the pattern) will be quick, easy, and safe. But even an air retrieve from Carson is quick, easy, and safe compared to collecting the parts of your glider from the fairway for reassembly at the repair shop.
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Old July 31st 20, 12:31 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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"Rafting is a popular activity in the hills of eastern Tennessee, and the Hiwassee is reckoned to be a good river for this. But a raft made by Schempp-Hirth is probably a poor choice."

One of my favorite lines by John Good.

https://soaringcafe.com/2013/04/raft...e%20gliderport.
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Old July 31st 20, 05:21 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Her Majesty?

Oh yeah. Sounds as if two glider pilots were Seriously Fortunate given (as i
infer) "the usual self-inflicted" circumstances. Can't help but wonder who
bore the salvage expenses...

Bob W.

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Old July 31st 20, 09:12 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 5:38:54 AM UTC-4, krasw wrote:
We have a couple of water landings per decade. Nobody was ever killed or hurt, but from our statistics it can be quite expensive. One glider had leading edge of wing split open, flaps can be damaged, especially proper landing flaps. Canopy is often cracked. Wet instruments are dead instantly, or latest in few years.

Schempp policy for water landing is that all pushrods get changed in the gliders, they cannot risk corrosion and resulting ADs 10-20 years later. I once asked factory guy how much this is, answer was that around 20k euros (lots of holes in wings).


If you trust Schempp, Dave Nadler Arcus M broken apart in the air 2 years ago and we still have no answer ?
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Old July 31st 20, 12:24 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Same in Europe for Schleicher. Our club had to spend a similar amount for putting an otherwise undamaged ASK21 in service, after a lake landing. I guess the days of let-it-dry and rig are finished.
Nobody got hurt in Italy for water landings. Minor concussions for a spin and water crash (glider destroyed).

Aldo Cernezzi
www.voloavela.it

Schempp policy for water landing is that all pushrods get changed in the gliders, they cannot risk corrosion and resulting ADs 10-20 years later. I once asked factory guy how much this is, answer was that around 20k euros (lots of holes in wings)

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Old July 31st 20, 01:19 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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BGA report said the ship was lost at sea. When people talk about large
amounts of air trapped in the structure, there's very little actually
sealed in there, it just takes a while for the thing to sink.


On 7/30/20 10:21 PM, Tom BravoMike wrote:
Her Majesty?

Oh yeah. Sounds as if two glider pilots were Seriously Fortunate given (as i
infer) "the usual self-inflicted" circumstances. Can't help but wonder who
bore the salvage expenses...

Bob W.

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Old July 31st 20, 04:03 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Other consideration is that a lot of pilots now have LifePo4 batteries onboard. Wonder how those fair in fresh water landing and if any concern.

Salt water landings... yikes, the corrosion. Imagine it would trash the instrumentation.
 




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