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USMC Huey Crash Photos
Hey All,
I just came across these photos and am curious if anyone knows the story of what happened. Weather sure looks clear so I doubt that had anything to do with it... http://www.myaviation.net/search/pho...75&size=medium http://www.myaviation.net/search/pho...67&size=medium http://www.myaviation.net/search/pho...74&size=medium http://www.myaviation.net/search/pho...73&size=medium http://www.myaviation.net/search/pho...76&size=medium Sure looks like a ****ty situation to me but I don't recall hearing of this crash... -Mike |
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Weather looks clear, huh? What planet do you call your home?
Having seen a few...that's a tail low landing. |
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"Mike "Rotor" Nowak" strained himself to utter the words: "Weather sure
looks clear so I doubt that had anything to do with it..." Uhm, Excuse me? The weather can 'clear' faster than the smoke can dissipate. With no indication how long after the crash this pic was taken, I'd say the 'current' weather in the photo has NO relation to the weather during the crash. My 2 cents. Larry AECS (AW/SW/MTS) USN 'Retired' 20 years if gettin 'em off the pointy end AND safely home again! "Mike "Rotor" Nowak" wrote in message news:ar2yc.9623$fZ1.6227@fed1read03... Hey All, I just came across these photos and am curious if anyone knows the story of what happened. Weather sure looks clear so I doubt that had anything to do with it... http://www.myaviation.net/search/pho...75&size=medium http://www.myaviation.net/search/pho...67&size=medium http://www.myaviation.net/search/pho...74&size=medium http://www.myaviation.net/search/pho...73&size=medium http://www.myaviation.net/search/pho...76&size=medium Sure looks like a ****ty situation to me but I don't recall hearing of this crash... -Mike |
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"Sal" wrote in
: Weather looks clear, huh? What planet do you call your home? These weren't taken by the Mars Rover? ;-) Having seen a few...that's a tail low landing. Understand, I haven't seen any, so I'm asking for clarification, and not challenging you on this, but could you explain more? I understand a tail strike, and deflecting the main rotor into the tailboom. And this fits with the pitch of the blades on both rotors (though in an accident situation this isn't indicative of anything). But both skids being sprung and the noticeable forward motion, apparently following the gear collapse, seems like an awfully hard contact even for someone coming in with a heavy flare. Am I misinterpreting things? Potentially, I guess I could see it if he was coming in damn fast and flared to arrest the forward motion, too low to safely do so. But I would hope this wasn't the case, since that strikes me as a needlessly reckless approach. I'm open to correction. - Al. -- To reply, insert dash in address to separate G and I in the domain |
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One more,
http://www.myaviation.net/search/pho...68&size=medium I was being sarcastic about the wx.. it looks like these pics were fairly recent after the crash, with no calvary there ot help things out -- plus, in the above pic, it looks like they're disconnecting the batt, something I doubt they'd wait long after the crash to do... From what the thing looks like, I'd agree that it was a tail chop job... but I'm interested in the story behind what happened. They pulled the equipment out, the door guns look to have been pulled, and I can even see a permiter being established in some of the pics, which leads me to believe it's behind the lines. Just curious what happened. -Mike "Mike "Rotor" Nowak" wrote in message news:ar2yc.9623$fZ1.6227@fed1read03... Hey All, I just came across these photos and am curious if anyone knows the story of what happened. Weather sure looks clear so I doubt that had anything to do with it... http://www.myaviation.net/search/pho...75&size=medium http://www.myaviation.net/search/pho...67&size=medium http://www.myaviation.net/search/pho...74&size=medium http://www.myaviation.net/search/pho...73&size=medium http://www.myaviation.net/search/pho...76&size=medium Sure looks like a ****ty situation to me but I don't recall hearing of this crash... -Mike |
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My opinion saying tail low landing was drawn from these parameters:
A) No apparent MRB Damages from possibly hitting the tailboom B) No apparent damage to tail rotor blades as from strikin the ground under power (tial rotors stop pretty damned fast when the T/R driveshaft is sheared and probably jammed. C) The angle of the sheared off tailboom appears to be from a forward motion of the aircraft and a groumd strike causing that angular appearance. I don't know that bird, but the stinger looks more like a car antenna as if maybe a bit is missing to be found further behind. I'm supposing after 20 yars of heavy helicopter maintenance. All my bull**** and a quarter will buy me a phone call. |
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"Bob" wrote in message . ..
My opinion saying tail low landing was drawn from these parameters: A) No apparent MRB Damages from possibly hitting the tailboom B) No apparent damage to tail rotor blades as from strikin the ground under power (tial rotors stop pretty damned fast when the T/R driveshaft is sheared and probably jammed. C) The angle of the sheared off tailboom appears to be from a forward motion of the aircraft and a groumd strike causing that angular appearance. I don't know that bird, but the stinger looks more like a car antenna as if maybe a bit is missing to be found further behind. I'm supposing after 20 yars of heavy helicopter maintenance. All my bull**** and a quarter will buy me a phone call. Hi, I have little or no knowledge of helicopters however I do have a ruler. When looking at: http://www.myaviation.net/search/pho...hp?id=00059374 if I put my ruler along the snapped off tail it passes right through the rotor head. Maybe it is a coincidence but I am pretty convinced that the tail was chopped off by the rotor. The cut is also VERY clean. Is that the tail rotor shaft on the ground under the tail cone? Finally, does: http://www.myaviation.net/search/pho...hp?id=00059373 show the tail cut off in the direction of the rotor rotation. I seem to recall stories of Hueys chopping trees with the rotor. The tail cone seems unlikely to be tougher than even quite a small tree. |
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Mike, I'm glad to see you know something about perimeter security and
aircraft recovery or even a UH-1. These pictures look like they were taken by the DART team (Downed Aircraft Recovery Team). Perimeter security is pulled even on aircraft crashes in the states to keep site seers and vultures from contaminating the site. And isn't almost anyplace off base still Indian country? Most battery's were upgraded to the AH-1's and relocated to the tailboom for weight and balance. Notice no big battery disconnect? What your seeing is Nav, COMSEC and commo gear in the nose. The fact that the Marines are standing on the Boom to allow the inspection of the nose and the fact the CPG's green house is missing a huge chunk might indicate battle damage. Also, it appears that both counter measures pods have been used. What strikes me as odd are that both skid gear are on the left side next to the fuselage and the unusual dent pattern on the top of the skid under the aircraft. You will notice what appear to be skid marks at an angle to the aircraft. But, the oddest part is that taliboom is off to the side and in front of the aircraft. The blades show no strike damage from the boom or the ground. Possibly due to the fact tail rotor wasn't turning when it landed where it is in the picture, which might suggest it wasn't turning on impact, there is no torn up ground. I'm guessing either tail rotor or tail shaft failure. Or possibly they hit the boom on one of the nearby bearms (notice the dent on the boom in front of the separation). This wasn't a low tail, high nose impact evident by the fact the tail stinger is not bent. But, hey I wasn't there what do I know? I just hope and pray that the crew and pax walked away to **** and bleed and hoist a cold one to one more landing. James Wilson Former DART Team leader, TI OH-58 A/C, KW, AH-1S/E/F, UH-1D, UH-60A/L "Mike "Rotor" Nowak" wrote in message news:7b8yc.10376$fZ1.3750@fed1read03... One more, http://www.myaviation.net/search/pho...68&size=medium I was being sarcastic about the wx.. it looks like these pics were fairly recent after the crash, with no calvary there ot help things out -- plus, in the above pic, it looks like they're disconnecting the batt, something I doubt they'd wait long after the crash to do... From what the thing looks like, I'd agree that it was a tail chop job... but I'm interested in the story behind what happened. They pulled the equipment out, the door guns look to have been pulled, and I can even see a permiter being established in some of the pics, which leads me to believe it's behind the lines. Just curious what happened. -Mike "Mike "Rotor" Nowak" wrote in message news:ar2yc.9623$fZ1.6227@fed1read03... Hey All, I just came across these photos and am curious if anyone knows the story of what happened. Weather sure looks clear so I doubt that had anything to do with it... http://www.myaviation.net/search/pho...75&size=medium http://www.myaviation.net/search/pho...67&size=medium http://www.myaviation.net/search/pho...74&size=medium http://www.myaviation.net/search/pho...73&size=medium http://www.myaviation.net/search/pho...76&size=medium Sure looks like a ****ty situation to me but I don't recall hearing of this crash... -Mike |
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Subject: USMC Huey Crash
Just curious what happened. Then e-mail the photographer who is listed at the bottom. |
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If I'm not mistaken these are photos of UH-1N from HMLA-169 that
crashed at Jalibah FARP on 30 Mar 2003, killing the pilot Capt. Aaron J. Contreras, Crew Chief Sgt. Michael V. Lalush and Sgt. Brian D. McGinnis. The second photo you will see on the nose just above the pilots chin bubble, "Crew Chief M. Lalush". The A/C crashed on takeoff. |
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