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POL Thrown out of an FBO...
Recently, Jose posted:
A specious comparison. Mixed race couples were being judged on their *appearance*, while same sex couples are being judged by their *actions*. Not such a specious comparison. Mixed race couples were not being judged on their appearance, but rather, on =what= they were. It was like a man marrying a dog. They were a different =race= goddamit! Then, it's incumbent on you to explain how you could tell "what they were". One certainly can't tell by looking, but one *can* make assumptions based on how people look. I won't even go into the lack of validity of the concept of different "races" within the human species. In short, I agree with Jay on the nature of your comparison. Neil |
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"Don Tabor" wrote in message
... That is to allow civil unions for any consenting adult couple which provide those legal privileges and responsibilities currently attached to marriage. Other than that, government has no function relating to marriage. Get your civil union registered at the courthouse, get married in front of your church, family, friends, or bowling league, whatever community will provide the emotional and social support for your marriage. Separation of marriage and state and all that. Yes, that would be a reasonable solution. Let the government provide civil unions, and let churches or whatever sanctify marriages according to whatever criteria they want to use. (To this day, there are still some churches that refuse to sanctify interracial marriages. Although their policy is morally reprehensible, it is unassailably protected as part of their free-speech rights, and properly so, since a religious sanctification constitutes nothing but an expression of belief.) But as long as the government does presume to certify "marriages", they should do so without regard to the race or gender of the participants. --Gary |
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"LWG" wrote in message . .. And they might use the same logic against America for allowing the rise of Whateverism. How about Christofascism? We better start wiping these fundies out before somebody suitcase-nukes our cities and tries to wipe us off the planet. Bingo. You got it! They *are* using the same logic against the western world. We are infidels, and there are only two options: conversion or death. Which one do you want? If we apply that logic to Islam, do we also apply it to Christianity when we are told that the punishment for not believing is ETERNAL torture and damnation? Is there some reason I would wish to kill a child in Jordan or Kuwait because of a fundamentalist in Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan? There are radical muslims in Australia. Should we nuke Sydney, too? -c |
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"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message ... Gatt, For what? You're actually trying sensible discussion with this nutcase? Nope. It ceased to be constructive. -c |
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As such, your views have no value. "mike regish" wrote in message ... Yep. Yeah I could tell by your comments that you are too intolerant of someone who has other views. |
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POL Thrown out of an FBO...
Then, it's incumbent on you to explain how you could tell "what they
were". One certainly can't tell by looking, but one *can* make assumptions based on how people look. I'm not even sure what this means. Mixed race couples would not be accepted even if they dyed their skin. Same race couples would be accepted, even if one of them had a deep sun tan. I won't even go into the lack of validity of the concept of different "races" within the human species. It doesn't have to be valid - it merely has to be a way to discriminate, which it is. And, btw, I am not supporting such bigotry as "They were a different =race= goddamit!" by posting it, I'm merely pointing out that at one time, not too long ago, that bigotry did exist. Jose -- "Never trust anything that can think for itself, if you can't see where it keeps its brain." (chapter 10 of book 3 - Harry Potter). for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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Nomen Nescio wrote:
Why should a hospital decide who has "visitation rights" in the first place? What if a celebrity is in the hospital? |
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On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 18:49:26 GMT, B A R R Y
wrote: Nomen Nescio wrote: Why should a hospital decide who has "visitation rights" in the first place? What if a celebrity is in the hospital? Shouldn't the person in the hospital decide who can visit? Don |
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Don Tabor wrote:
On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 18:49:26 GMT, B A R R Y wrote: Nomen Nescio wrote: Why should a hospital decide who has "visitation rights" in the first place? What if a celebrity is in the hospital? Shouldn't the person in the hospital decide who can visit? Don I think so, but that may not be posssible. What if they haven't been awake since admission? Think of how many curious "friends" a celebrity or politician might have. |
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"Crash Lander" wrote in message
... So homosexual people separate them selves from the rest of the population, in turn, feeding the discrimination and segregation they so fiercely protest! I tend to separate myself from the non-flying population by hanging out at airports. I do this BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE AIRPLANES ARE. Duh. Am I feeding the discrimination against pilots just because I happen to have a good understanding of how to most efficiently address my needs as a pilot? There are other reasons, including the fact that discrimination still exists And, as I've said, is fed (in a lot of cases, but not all, I grant you)by homosexual people themselves! It is not "fed" at all by homosexuals. That is strictly in your perception, and cannot be blamed on them. and so having a relative safe place to go is also useful. I think it's silly to criticize homosexuals for seeking out specific places for themselves. If all homosexual people went to the 'straight' clubs and pubs, they'd still meet each other there! No, they wouldn't. They would waste a lot of time meeting people who are straight. I have several gay friends who have described this very problem. There just aren't enough homosexual people in the general problem for them to be effective at meeting other gays in settings not specifically identified as being for gays. Why have a separate one? You don't hear straight people crying discrimination when we aren't allowed in a 'gay' club. It is a common response from the dominant majority to cry "why aren't our ways good enough for them?" Suffice to say, such cries are irrelevant and misguided. They only serve to demonstrate just how little empathy those people in the dominant majority have for what it really means to be in a minority group. Sexual 'hook-ups' are not the only reason one goes to a pub or club. So what? That wasn't the question. The issue is what a gay person is to do when the point *is* for meeting a sexual partner. Other uses for bars are irrelevant. If you're at a bar to meet up with a sexual partner, I think that one's sexual preference probably *would* be a required part of the conversation at some point. *If* I were at the bar or club to find a sexual partner. So you agree with me. Why did you bring it up then? As I said before, that is not the only reason to be at a club or pub. So what? The fact remains that meeting sexual partners IS a reason to be at a bar, and inasmuch as this is true, having a bar where all the people there are sexually like-minded is useful (and not at all related to the question of "feeding discrimination"). Pete |
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