Frequency of convictions for lying on FAA medical form

Morgans wrote:

"Barney Rubble" wrote

If is "Common knowledge" that many pilots are pathological liars, why
can't you find the evidence? Maybe because you just made that line
up.Why don't you give the FAA a call in OKC, I'm sure they would love
to chew the fat with you....


Careful how you attribute quotes. Your response makes it seem as though
Ron wrote the "common knowledge" line, but it was the originator of the
thread that said that.

Just another problem with top-posting.

Matt

On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:05:12 -0800, Mark Hansen wrote:

Admissions? Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see the OP admit anything.
Just asked a few 'What if...' questions.

Very true.

She also seems to have evaporated after I mentioned it.

Sally, if you're worried about it you can go to Google Groups and have your
posts removed from the archive.

--
Dallas

"Sally Grozmano" wrote in message
I am familiar with the potential penalties for lying on the FAA medical,
but was curious if anyone had any stats on *actual* convictions that have
occured for this, and what the associated penalties were? It seems to be
"common knowledge" that many pilots do lie, but I never hear of actual
convictions.

There are none. Your query lacks credibility. Know why?

m

"Sally Grozmano"

Just to reiterate what I said before, if I am involved in an accident
where
someone dies, the last thing on my mind is going to be financial
penalties.
That would haunt me for the rest of my life (whether I was at fault or
not). My main concern is getting my ticket, and slapped with a huge fine
from the FAA finding out about my ommisions through other channels
(insurance, DEA, etc).

Well, don't kill anyone and you'll never be noticed..What, exactly, did you
do that requires discipline? Your "main concern" is boring.

m

Dallas wrote in
:

On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:05:12 -0800, Mark Hansen wrote:

Admissions? Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see the OP admit
anything. Just asked a few 'What if...' questions.

Very true.

She also seems to have evaporated after I mentioned it.

Nope, still here. The thread has drifted somewhat from my original question
, so I am guessing the answer is not known. I have not responded to posts
such as "You are claiming all pilots are pathological liars" or "Your
question is boring" because they are obvious flamebait.


Sally, if you're worried about it you can go to Google Groups and have
your posts removed from the archive.


Thanks for the tip. I'm not worried about the FAA looking through the
archives; if anything, my concern would be an overzealous participant in
this NG trying to raise a stink. In any event, I have taken the necessary
precautions

Happy Dog writes:

There are none. Your query lacks credibility. Know why?

Because you disagree?

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wrote:

Jim Stewart wrote:

Bill Denton wrote:

Since you brought up anti-depressants...

Am I the only one here who finds it ironic that you can't get a medical if
you have your depression treated and control it with medication, but someone
running around with an untreated problem can?

Exactly. I'd prefer to fly with a pilot who
is taking Prozac than one who should be taking
it and isn't.


There is a counter argument...

Somebody who is chronically depressed and unmedicated is firstly
perhaps unlikely to be flying anyway becuase they simply don't want to.
A depressed pilot is probably less depressed when flying.
Medications for the treatment of depression can have undesirable
psychological effects for pilots. Two people died here locally in
exactly this way, pilot was on some anti-depressant, which had known
sideeffect of feelings of invincibility (of course this isn't the
technical description but you get the gist), pilot didn't tell anybody
nor disqualify himself, took one too many risks because he felt like he
could get away with it, stall-spin-splat, pilot and passenger both bit
the big one.

Sometimes the treatment can cause more problems from a safety
standpoint than the disease.

Thanks. Good point.

On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:47:54 -0800, Bill Denton wrote
(in article ) :

Since you brought up anti-depressants...

Am I the only one here who finds it ironic that you can't get a medical if
you have your depression treated and control it with medication, but someone
running around with an untreated problem can?


Nonsense. You are not allowed to fly if you suffer from depression. The FAA
takes the position that if your depression is bad enough to require
medication then it is bad enough to keep you from flying. But if your
depression is that bad and you fly anyway without taking any medications then
the FAA would still consider you medically unfit.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

The issue is not one of medical fitness.

The issue is that one cannot obtain a medical...



"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:47:54 -0800, Bill Denton wrote
(in article ) :

Since you brought up anti-depressants...

Am I the only one here who finds it ironic that you can't get a medical
if
you have your depression treated and control it with medication, but
someone
running around with an untreated problem can?


Nonsense. You are not allowed to fly if you suffer from depression. The
FAA
takes the position that if your depression is bad enough to require
medication then it is bad enough to keep you from flying. But if your
depression is that bad and you fly anyway without taking any medications
then
the FAA would still consider you medically unfit.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

C J Campbell writes:

Nonsense. You are not allowed to fly if you suffer from depression. The FAA
takes the position that if your depression is bad enough to require
medication then it is bad enough to keep you from flying. But if your
depression is that bad and you fly anyway without taking any medications then
the FAA would still consider you medically unfit.

What if failing your medical and losing the ability to fly causes you
to lapse into depression?

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