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Busted TFR, what to expect?
"Morgans" wrote in message
... I've often wondered why they do not use AWOS. It would take all of 5 or 10 seconds to announce a NOTAM, or at least tell of one's existence. It would take well over 10 seconds to describe just one NOTAM of any complexity, never mind all of the NOTAMs that might be applicable to a flight within radio range of the AWOS. And noting a NOTAM's existence without describing it isn't useful...there are always NOTAMs. Yes, checking before departure is a "good thing" but there are always NOTAM's that pop up while you are in the air. That possibility does always exist, yes. But it's a relatively infrequent occurrence. Nearly all of the time, a NOTAM that might become effective during the flight is published prior to the commencement of the flight, even if only by hours. But even if NOTAMs appearing after one departs but becoming effective prior to one landing was anything other than the very remote possibility it is now, there's no practical way to disseminate all applicable NOTAMs via frequencies already in use, such as AWOS, ATIS, automated UNICOMs, or ATC frequencies. Pete |
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Busted TFR, what to expect?
It's a basic part of the preflight actions. I also spend a good 15-20
minutes walking around my airplane before every flight I do a thorough pre-flight inspection before every flight. Every control surface is checked for continuity, all four gas tanks are visually inspected, oil is checked, wheel pants are given a tug, prop is examined, stall indicator movement verified, every screw, bolt and connector is visually inspected... I've still got 12 to 17 minutes left. What're you doing that I'm not? -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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Busted TFR, what to expect?
In article hQsdg.3183$No1.816@attbi_s71,
"Jay Honeck" wrote: It's a basic part of the preflight actions. I also spend a good 15-20 minutes walking around my airplane before every flight I do a thorough pre-flight inspection before every flight. Every control surface is checked for continuity, all four gas tanks are visually inspected, oil is checked, wheel pants are given a tug, prop is examined, stall indicator movement verified, every screw, bolt and connector is visually inspected... I've still got 12 to 17 minutes left. What're you doing that I'm not? Check nav lights and rotating beacon Check electric fuel pump Check flap operation Sample fuel from each tank and from the gascalator Touch everything inspected (not just look at it but touch it - how can you tell a nut is loose just by looking?). Alternator belt is checked for freeplay Inspect tires and brakes (including exposed lines) -- Bob Noel Looking for a sig the lawyers will hate |
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"Peter Duniho" wrote But even if NOTAMs appearing after one departs but becoming effective prior to one landing was anything other than the very remote possibility it is now, there's no practical way to disseminate all applicable NOTAMs via frequencies already in use, such as AWOS, ATIS, automated UNICOMs, or ATC frequencies. I was thinking of something along the lines of a quick description, such as " --- centered on ---" then, "tune to blah blah blah for further information." If you had already done your homework, then the quick description would tell you already knew about it, then you could ignore the tuning somewhere else part. If it was something new that you were not aware of, then you could check it out. Just another idea. It does seem like some people do their best to find out, but due to delays, or time to get to the airport, or pop ups, they still get caught. Granted, it is a much higher percentage of busted notices, because of total failure to attempt to get the information. -- Jim in NC |
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Busted TFR, what to expect?
"Morgans" wrote in message
... I was thinking of something along the lines of a quick description, such as " --- centered on ---" then, "tune to blah blah blah for further information." You seem to be underestimating the number of NOTAMs that are generally active at any given time. We're not just talking TFRs. There are lots of other kinds of NOTAMs that a pilot may need to know about, and if a dissemenation system is going to be set up on the radio frequencies, they all need to be included. If you had already done your homework, then the quick description would tell you already knew about it, then you could ignore the tuning somewhere else part. If it was something new that you were not aware of, then you could check it out. If you had already done your homework, you wouldn't need to hear about the TFR on the radio. Just another idea. It does seem like some people do their best to find out, but due to delays, or time to get to the airport, or pop ups, they still get caught. There really just aren't that many NOTAMs that pop up at the last minute, even TFRs. Most of the TFR violations are pilots who simply didn't bother to get the available information. Granted, it is a much higher percentage of busted notices, because of total failure to attempt to get the information. If you mean that most violations are due to failure to get the available information, then yes...agreed. Pete |
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:hQsdg.3183$No1.816@attbi_s71... [...] I've still got 12 to 17 minutes left. What're you doing that I'm not? I guarantee you that in three minutes, you do NOT check "every screw, bolt and connector". You are fooling yourself if you think that three minutes is sufficient time for a preflight inspection. |
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Busted TFR, what to expect?
Bob,
Obviously the current system isn't working well. So you didn't even check? And you do tha regularly? Jeeze, wtf do you expect? This makes what happened entirely your fault, I'm afraid. And, with all due respect, I really do hope the FSDO manages to teach you a thorough lesson - because you're one of the idio^H^H^H^H, uhm, persons hurting all of us pilots by being careless and lazy. -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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In article ,
Bob Noel wrote: Touch everything inspected (not just look at it but touch it - how can you tell a nut is loose just by looking?). On my plane (an SR22) many of the nuts have a dab of paint on them where they meet the screw. If they move the paint dab cracks. It's quite visually apparent. rg |
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Thomas Borchert wrote:
Bob, Obviously the current system isn't working well. So you didn't even check? And you do tha regularly? Jeeze, wtf do you expect? This makes what happened entirely your fault, I'm afraid. And, with all due respect, I really do hope the FSDO manages to teach you a thorough lesson - because you're one of the idio^H^H^H^H, uhm, persons hurting all of us pilots by being careless and lazy. I got a treat the other day to witness a small plane being intercepted by an F-16 from my living room window in South Jersey on Wednesday. I knew I would hear about it on the news. Sure enough: http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?se...cal&id=4203212. What's funny is the guy keeps saying he didn't know the President was in town. I think this is a case of not doing the pre-flight homework. I knew about the TFR two days before it went into effect. The video gets chopped off, watching it on the news last night she said other pilots had a hard time believing that he didn't know the President was in town. That may have been true, but only because he didn't do the homework. There was another plane in the area that violated airspace, which I don't have details on. Something you don't see everyday in my area... -- Mike |
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