Russian Carrier Plans Part One

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: : : : : You do realize that the Sea of Okhotsk is surrounded by RUSSIAN land,
: : : : : right? No sane US admiral would take a force up there during active
: : : : : hostilities.
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: : : : :You don't have to enter it. just deny a couple of exit's and Vladivostok
: : : : :is worthless.
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: : : : And positioning to deny those exits leaves you in a fixed position and
: : : : vulnerable to huge land-based air assets.
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: : : :Maybe in the old days it did, but now ?
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: : : Making up more ignorance while you scurry about trying to move the
: : : goalposts?
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: : :What huge fleet of aircraft do the Russians operate nowdays ?
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: : There are (at least) 4 aviation regiments attached directly to the
: : Russian Pacific Fleet.
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: : Or are you one of those silly people who think all the hardware just
: : magically evaporated with the fall of the Soviet Union?
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: idn't evaporate, it just corroded away.
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: Not so much. You know airplanes are made out of aluminum, right?
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:Yes, which is why i used the word "corroded" instead of "rusted".
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:They also contain significant amounts of magnisium, steel and even a
:good bit of copper.
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And you presumably think that Russians are too stupid to maintain
their military assets or what?

I presume you know about the fleet of submarines left to rot ?
Yes, I think the Russians had to let thier military rot. How long did it
take them to complete the newest submarine ?
11 years or so ? Or was it longer



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: One more time. There are (at least) 4 aviation regiments attached
: directly to the Russian Pacific Fleet.
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:With an assigned operational strength of what ?
:25 aircraft ?
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Pull some more numbers out of your ass. Perhaps you'll get closer to
reality.

Lets see, 4 aviation regiments.
1) 568th Independent Composite Aviation Regiment -
HQ at Mongokhto - Tu-22M3, Tu-142MR/MZ
2) 865th Interceptor Aviation Regiment -
HQ at Yelizovo-Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky Airport) - MiG-31;
3) 317th Composite Air Regiment -
HQ at Yelizovo - Tu-142;
4) 71st Independent MIlitary Transport Air Squadron -
HQ at Nikolayevka, Primorskaya - An-12, An-24, An-26;
5) 175th Independent Shipborne Anti-submarine Helicopter Squadron -
HQ at Yelizovo - Ka-27
6) 289th Independent Anti-submarine Air Regiment -
HQ at Nikolayevka - Il-38, Ka-27, Ka-29;

Looks like it's 6, maybe more. But two are not terribly useful at
locating things.

What we don't have is operational rates.


You think submarines have AA systems on them, do you? Or are you back
to assuming a surface blocking force? Or are you whirling back to
mines?

Some are reported to have some AA, but you knew that.
I'm curious why you think the Russians would be presented with a one
dimensional threat....




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: : : :And why would I be on the surface in the first place ?
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: : : Who said you were? Why do you think that makes a difference? Do you
: : : stupidly believe that submarines are invulnerable to aircraft?
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: : : [Keep moving those goalposts.]
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: : :They have to find em first..
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: : When you're sitting in one place to block a choke point that gets a
: : lot easier to do. It pretty well limits the volume of ocean you can
: : be sitting in, which makes finding you (or sanitizing that volume of
: : ocean) much easier.
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: : : : : : I'm not sure precisely what you have in mind, but the size of Russia's
: : : : : : Navy has nothing to do with it. You're close enough inshore so that
: : : : : : airplanes will blow your ass off if you try to sit in there.
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: : : : : :Yes, that is the problem the Russian face in trying to get out of
: : : : : :Vladivostok....
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: : : : : Except most of it is RUSSIAN land...
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: : : : :That will be news to Japan and Korea(north and south)
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: : : : Might I suggest you look up the meaning of 'most' and realize that it
: : : : doesn't equate to 'all'?
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: : : :"most" of that land is just a hinderance to navigation.
: : : :Even the Russian bits.
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: : : :The important parts are NOT Russian.
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: : : The important parts to whom and for what?
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: : :The parts the Russians would have to pass by
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: : Check a map. Look north.
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: :Nice place for a some mines....
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: So we see it go from a surface force to subs to mines. Nothing like
: shifting those claims, is there?
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:Actually you assumed it would be surface forces my friend. I never
:stated they would be.
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So they're going to block them by magic?

Could be. who knows what the current code word for Ivy Bell's is.



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:If you can't deal with a varied threat perhaps you might stick to
:something safe like checkers.
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I'd suggest that checkers is too intellectually demanding for you.

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: You think the Russians don't have minesweepers?
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:I'm sure they have some hull's with minesweeping gear.
:Can they leave port and actually sweep mines ?
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Better than the few we have probably can, even if you assume that we
have the minelayers to try to close the place off and that they just
let us.

You don't like closed spaces, do you Fred. Why would I mine those
straits from the surface when submarines and aircraft can do it ?




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: : : [Shift some more...]
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: : : : No, it won't be news to either Japan or Korea. They can read maps,
: : : : you see...
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: : : :I'm not the one who keeps discounting them..
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: : : Gee, neither am I. You are, however, the one that is unable to read
: : : either a Usenet article, a map, or anything written on naval tactics.
: : :
: : : And the change from shifting the goalposts to outright lying was a
: : : nice change on your part.
: : :
: : :I guess since you can't win you resort to name calling. Oh well
: : :
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: : If you don't like people pointing out you're shifting your claims all
: : over the place and lying, stop shifting your claims all over the place
: : and stop lying.
: :
: :I see you like to use old tactic of calling someone a liar when they
: :refuse to accept your claims and the all mighty truth.
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: I'm not responsible for your myopia. I'm also not responsible for
: your lack of veracity. I'm REALLY not responsible for your lack of
: intellectual integrity.
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: I called you a liar because you lied.
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: Just what did I 'discount', you lying little sack of turds?
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: Keep shifting and lying. I'll keep calling you a shifty liar.
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: It only seems appropriate...
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:I can see why so many folks ignore you around here Fred.
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Only the idiots, Tanky. It's because they don't like having their
lies, idiocy, and squirming pointed out.

Is any of this sounding familiar to you?

Are those titles to the chapters of your autobiography ?