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"Vanishing American Air Superiority"
On Mar 10, 7:27*pm, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:
On Mar 10, 4:03 pm, Jim Wilkins wrote: On Mar 10, 1:56 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote: ... How would lasers mounted on the AWAC affect the dynamic?... Ken- Ever been on an AWACS? They are quite full of people watching terminals, not much room for megawatt laser power supplies. jsw Here's a recent report about mobile LASER capability,http://www.msnbc.msn..com/id/4926840 where we'll be in 5-10 years together with better electronics is hard to say. It's reminds of a B-17 type turreted gunship using LASER pulses in place of bullets, it's (reportedly) been demo'd. Ken Biggest problem is powering the LASER. Only one that is anywhere close to working is absolutely huge out at WSMR. I doubt the Airborne LASER will ever get operational, it'll be just another USAF project for SDI that dies for cost, not working out of the lab or some other reason. Add in getting close enough to the target to do the job (assuming that somebody that wants to launch a missile is going to let you do that is iffy at best), in all weather 24/7 and being right the first time, well, way too many ifs for the money. Lots of good uses for LASERs, weapons are a long way off. No matter what the PR puff pieces say. And they are a dime a dozen, have been for going on decades. |
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Ray O'Hara wrote:
What success in Iraq,? the coming civil war? and I don't think Obama wants any of the Iraq stink on his resume. you strike me as the type who approves of the Iraq adventure because it makes you feel tough. and if Bsh hadn't blown the budget there we'd have the money to fix or infrastruture but everybody health insurance and buy a few F-22s Hardly. I think CBO but perhaps someone else, just reported on ballooning Federal deficits. They've essentially been institutionalized and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan aren't the real contributors to it, although expenses for them have certainly been costly. It's entitlements. They're unsustainable as currently defined. Social security, Medicare and Medicaid especially. Furthermore, costs for wars eventually become 0. Social entitlements just get bigger and bigger in costs with no political leader willing to do something to reign them in. Giving more for free is how you get elected and stay in office. We're all to blame: the free givers and the takers. Health care "reform" is going to be worth several wars of costs in the long run! SMH |
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"Vanishing American Air Superiority"
Stephen Harding writes:
Ray O'Hara wrote: What success in Iraq,? the coming civil war? and I don't think Obama wants any of the Iraq stink on his resume. you strike me as the type who approves of the Iraq adventure because it makes you feel tough. and if Bsh hadn't blown the budget there we'd have the money to fix or infrastruture but everybody health insurance and buy a few F-22s Hardly. I think CBO but perhaps someone else, just reported on ballooning Federal deficits. They've essentially been institutionalized and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan aren't the real contributors to it, although expenses for them have certainly been costly. It's entitlements. They're unsustainable as currently defined. Social security, Medicare and Medicaid especially. Furthermore, costs for wars eventually become 0. Social entitlements just get bigger and bigger in costs with no political leader willing to do something to reign them in. Giving more for free is how you get elected and stay in office. We're all to blame: the free givers and the takers. Health care "reform" is going to be worth several wars of costs in the long run! Nice analysis. Ben O'Neill wrote a nice piece on Mises.org on this topic: http://blog.mises.org/11739/a-society-of-criminals/ Cheers, Gernot Hassenpflug |
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"Vanishing American Air Superiority"
One thing that never gets mentioned when "the cost of war" is
discussed is that a lot of that money gets pumped into the economy - soldiers pay, buying weapons, etc. Lots of jobs, too - imagine the recent recession without all the defense spending! I seem to recall that the real solution to the Great Depression was WW2, not FDR's social engineering. It does irritate me that as a country we are not willing to impose a war tax on everbody in the US to pay for our adventures - thank you gutless politicians. Kirk |
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On Mar 15, 1:09*pm, "
wrote: One thing that never gets mentioned when "the cost of war" is discussed is that a lot of that money gets pumped into the economy - soldiers pay, buying weapons, etc. *Lots of jobs, too - imagine the recent recession without all the defense spending! I seem to recall that the real solution to the Great Depression was WW2, not FDR's social engineering. It does irritate me that as a country we are not willing to impose a war tax on everbody in the US to pay for our adventures - thank you gutless politicians. Kirk Who did you vote for last election? Who will you vote for the next? Those guys never make it without the votes. |
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"Vanishing American Air Superiority"
On Mar 15, 10:09 am, "
wrote: One thing that never gets mentioned when "the cost of war" is discussed is that a lot of that money gets pumped into the economy - soldiers pay, buying weapons, etc. Lots of jobs, too - imagine the recent recession without all the defense spending! I seem to recall that the real solution to the Great Depression was WW2, not FDR's social engineering. It does irritate me that as a country we are not willing to impose a war tax on everbody in the US to pay for our adventures - thank you gutless politicians. Kirk IMO, (from what I've studied and experienced) the US was by far the greatest nation in 1960, most other countries were then recovering from WW2, and the US had lot's of dough from selling armaments, to the belligrents, also the US was an oil exporter. Made the best TV's, cars and everything else. That was 50 years ago, 1/2 century. Today, I feel the US GNP is measured by how many donuts and burgers it stuffs in it's citizens, that gets entered into the GNP figures, usually as a service industry. If my wife sells you a cake, and your wife sells me a pie that gets into the GNP bottom line, in Canuckistan the govmonks take 50% of the pie and cake for munchies, overall taxation being about 1/2, when it's all figured in. LOL, if the US taxed fast food they'd be runnning a surplus in 20 minutes, and reduce the big fat obese pigs, that drive up medical care bills. Downside is Oprah would be unemployed, oh darn. To the point, what is the best way to employ ambitious men who want to have a family that are age 20-30? It might be appropriate to REDUCE the retirement age, because our society production has become so efficient, maybe employ more people in science and research, but there's not very many people who can do that. Pharoh's had the idea of employing people to build pyramids, kind of like 'mission to the moon, mars and beyond'. I think dumping money into ghetto's pays for dope, discipline first. Ken |
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On Mar 16, 1:09*pm, "Ray O'Hara" wrote:
... a DESRON steaming by at high speed would have been enough to swamp the river barges that didn't founder on their own The ones I saw on the Neckar had substantial freeboard: http://www.freefoto.com/images/2026/...erland_web.jpg jsw |
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"Vanishing American Air Superiority"
On Mar 16, 3:46*pm, Jim Wilkins wrote:
On Mar 16, 1:09*pm, "Ray O'Hara" wrote: ... a DESRON steaming by at high speed would have been enough to swamp the river barges that didn't founder on their own The ones I saw on the Neckar had substantial freeboard:http://www.freefoto.com/images/2026/...and-Barges--Ri... jsw 50-50, seas would probably get them before any DDs arrived http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bu...C3%B6we%22.jpg |
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"Vanishing American Air Superiority"
"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message ... On Mar 16, 1:09 pm, "Ray O'Hara" wrote: ... a DESRON steaming by at high speed would have been enough to swamp the river barges that didn't founder on their own The ones I saw on the Neckar had substantial freeboard: http://www.freefoto.com/images/2026/...erland_web.jpg jsw They are not typical of the barges used on European inland waterways in the 1940's A better picture is http://www.historycooperative.org/jo...ges_fig07b.jpg Keith |
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"Vanishing American Air Superiority"
On Mar 16, 3:05*pm, Jack Linthicum
wrote: The ones I saw on the Neckar had substantial freeboard:http://www.freefoto.com/images/2026/...and-Barges--Ri... Yes, when empty. I've watched many a barge in the Seine and Rhine rivers and when loaded the deck is almost awash! So depending on what was put in them, freeboard may or may not have been a problem. One assumes a moderately intelligent planner at the time would have taken that into account. Cheers, Kirk |
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