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Old December 2nd 04, 01:21 AM
T.Roger
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Default I want to buy a plane by year-end but they're not making it easy.

I don't have my ticket yet -- and I'm really committed because I want to buy
my own plane to train and fly -- and I want to take advantage of the tax
write-off about to expire at year end.

I've been at this since August.
But, hell, they're not making it easy.

All I've asked of Cirrus, Piper and Tiger is if I can demo their damned
planes before I buy. But if you don't have your ticket they don't want to
know you. They take the position that I should secure the financing for the
particular plane before I demo. I take the position that I'm not going to
waste my time if I'm not in love with the plane. I tell them that I'm
relegated to buying a C172 because that's the only plane I know and they're
not making it easy for me to consider anything else. They take the position
that "...every customer who's bought their 'so-and-so-brand-plane' has never
regretted it and has never gone back to a C172. I say: kiss my a**: if I'm
going to effort to run around trying to convince a bank to finance my
purchase @ $200,000 or more (you know what that's like) then I want to know
what in hell I'm buying!! They're sort of saying: marry me and then you'll
find out if you love me.

So far, I haven't had one demo since I started the search in August.
I thought GA was hurting; I guess not.

I train in C172's, and I guess that's what Cirrus, Piper and Tiger want me
to buy because they don't seem interested in my business.



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Old December 2nd 04, 01:30 AM
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On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 00:21:34 GMT, "T.Roger"
wrote:

I don't have my ticket yet -- and I'm really committed because I want to buy
my own plane to train and fly -- and I want to take advantage of the tax
write-off about to expire at year end.


What write offs?
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Old December 2nd 04, 01:37 AM
Bill J
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My student bought a Lancair before he had his ticket. No prob lem oh!

T.Roger wrote:
I don't have my ticket yet -- and I'm really committed because I want to buy
my own plane to train and fly -- and I want to take advantage of the tax
write-off about to expire at year end.

I've been at this since August.
But, hell, they're not making it easy.

All I've asked of Cirrus, Piper and Tiger is if I can demo their damned
planes before I buy. But if you don't have your ticket they don't want to
know you. They take the position that I should secure the financing for the
particular plane before I demo. I take the position that I'm not going to
waste my time if I'm not in love with the plane. I tell them that I'm
relegated to buying a C172 because that's the only plane I know and they're
not making it easy for me to consider anything else. They take the position
that "...every customer who's bought their 'so-and-so-brand-plane' has never
regretted it and has never gone back to a C172. I say: kiss my a**: if I'm
going to effort to run around trying to convince a bank to finance my
purchase @ $200,000 or more (you know what that's like) then I want to know
what in hell I'm buying!! They're sort of saying: marry me and then you'll
find out if you love me.

So far, I haven't had one demo since I started the search in August.
I thought GA was hurting; I guess not.

I train in C172's, and I guess that's what Cirrus, Piper and Tiger want me
to buy because they don't seem interested in my business.




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Old December 2nd 04, 02:06 AM
Dan Engleman
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"T.Roger" wrote in message
. com...
I don't have my ticket yet -- and I'm really committed because I want to
buy
my own plane to train and fly -- and I want to take advantage of the tax
write-off about to expire at year end.///

I've been at this since August.
But, hell, they're not making it easy.




Hey T. Roger,

I feel your pain (well kinda). I mess with a little real estate and run into
the same thing. In order to look at a property
you must be "pre-qualified" with many brokers. Well.......I may pay cash. So
I am not going to go through the process of filling out a credit
application, etc.

There is a trade off on this though. Real estate agents and aircraft dealers
don't have time to mess with all the "flakes" who would like to buy
something, but don't have the resourses.
You made the statement about "trying" to get financing for a 200k
purchase.....they probably picked up on that. Most people who want to make a
200k purchase don't have any doubt about getting the money, as I don't have
any doubt about getting the money for real estate purchases.

Perhaps if you were a little more circumspect with them?????

Of course if you are 22 years old you will have to prove that you are a rock
star, professional athlete, etc. :-)

Good luck,

Dan


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Old December 2nd 04, 03:11 AM
Dude
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As someone else said, there are plenty of tire kickers asking plane sellers
for demo flights. I have seen this happen before, and there is likely
something about your approach that is making them think you are not a
serious buyer.

Also, many insurers balk at student pilots, especially on a Cirrus. At any
rate, tell us where you are, or how to contact you and maybe I can help you
out. I know a few low people in high places, and would be happy to help you.

I went through all sorts of frustration buying my first new plane. I even
got stood up for an appointment after traveling halfway across the country
to see a plane. Then with barely an apology, they started twisting my arm
for a deposit over the phone!

OTOH, the guy I bought my plane from was top notch, and I still call him
every now and then to say hi. The best and the worst seem to get into
aviation, and not that much in between.




You do not have to buy the plane buy year end to get bonus depreciation
"T.Roger" wrote in message
. com...
I don't have my ticket yet -- and I'm really committed because I want to
buy
my own plane to train and fly -- and I want to take advantage of the tax
write-off about to expire at year end.

I've been at this since August.
But, hell, they're not making it easy.

All I've asked of Cirrus, Piper and Tiger is if I can demo their damned
planes before I buy. But if you don't have your ticket they don't want to
know you. They take the position that I should secure the financing for
the
particular plane before I demo. I take the position that I'm not going to
waste my time if I'm not in love with the plane. I tell them that I'm
relegated to buying a C172 because that's the only plane I know and
they're
not making it easy for me to consider anything else. They take the
position
that "...every customer who's bought their 'so-and-so-brand-plane' has
never
regretted it and has never gone back to a C172. I say: kiss my a**: if I'm
going to effort to run around trying to convince a bank to finance my
purchase @ $200,000 or more (you know what that's like) then I want to
know
what in hell I'm buying!! They're sort of saying: marry me and then
you'll
find out if you love me.

So far, I haven't had one demo since I started the search in August.
I thought GA was hurting; I guess not.

I train in C172's, and I guess that's what Cirrus, Piper and Tiger want me
to buy because they don't seem interested in my business.





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Old December 2nd 04, 03:13 AM
Steve Foley
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I am a licensed real estate agent. You would be amazed at some of the people
walking in planning to buy a $200,000 home but have bad credit, no income,
$25,000 in credit card debt, etc.

I learned pretty quickly not to bother with someone who isn't pre-qualified.

There is a saying in the business "Buyers are Liars".

I'm sure Piper, Cirrus and Tiger think you're another wanabe who wants a
free ride in one of their planes. They need some way to weed out the
rif-raf, and unfortunately, you're looking alot like rif-raf.




"Dan Engleman" wrote in message
...

"T.Roger" wrote in message
. com...
I don't have my ticket yet -- and I'm really committed because I want to
buy
my own plane to train and fly -- and I want to take advantage of the tax
write-off about to expire at year end.///

I've been at this since August.
But, hell, they're not making it easy.




Hey T. Roger,

I feel your pain (well kinda). I mess with a little real estate and run

into
the same thing. In order to look at a property
you must be "pre-qualified" with many brokers. Well.......I may pay cash.

So
I am not going to go through the process of filling out a credit
application, etc.

There is a trade off on this though. Real estate agents and aircraft

dealers
don't have time to mess with all the "flakes" who would like to buy
something, but don't have the resourses.
You made the statement about "trying" to get financing for a 200k
purchase.....they probably picked up on that. Most people who want to make

a
200k purchase don't have any doubt about getting the money, as I don't

have
any doubt about getting the money for real estate purchases.

Perhaps if you were a little more circumspect with them?????

Of course if you are 22 years old you will have to prove that you are a

rock
star, professional athlete, etc. :-)

Good luck,

Dan




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Old December 2nd 04, 03:22 AM
G.R. Patterson III
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"T.Roger" wrote:

All I've asked of Cirrus, Piper and Tiger is if I can demo their damned
planes before I buy.


Have you offered to pay them for the flight? Most dealers will be happy to demo
a new plane for about $100.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.
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Old December 2nd 04, 04:00 AM
Ross Oliver
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Why don't you just go rent one for an hour or two? Piper and
Cirrus rentals shouldn't be too hard to find. A Tiger might
take a little more leg work. Renting with a CFI has the added
advantage of counting the time toward "time in type" that your
insurer will inevitably require.


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Old December 2nd 04, 04:02 AM
Matt Whiting
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Steve Foley wrote:

I am a licensed real estate agent. You would be amazed at some of the people
walking in planning to buy a $200,000 home but have bad credit, no income,
$25,000 in credit card debt, etc.

I learned pretty quickly not to bother with someone who isn't pre-qualified.

There is a saying in the business "Buyers are Liars".


That must be the definition of the pot calling the kettle black! :-)

I rank real estate agents right along side used car salesman...

Matt

  #10  
Old December 2nd 04, 04:27 AM
tony roberts
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If you are serious, tell them all that you'll pay them $100.00 for the
test flight if they pay you $1000 discount if you buy.
They'll all go for it and as you plan to buy anyway you will save some
cash.

Which Cirrus were you thinking of?
It's a lot of cash to pay for something that isn't certified beyond 4000
hours and can't spin - But that's a whole new thread - just sit back and
watch

Tony



In article ,
"T.Roger" wrote:

I don't have my ticket yet -- and I'm really committed because I want to buy
my own plane to train and fly -- and I want to take advantage of the tax
write-off about to expire at year end.

I've been at this since August.
But, hell, they're not making it easy.

All I've asked of Cirrus, Piper and Tiger is if I can demo their damned
planes before I buy. But if you don't have your ticket they don't want to
know you. They take the position that I should secure the financing for the
particular plane before I demo. I take the position that I'm not going to
waste my time if I'm not in love with the plane. I tell them that I'm
relegated to buying a C172 because that's the only plane I know and they're
not making it easy for me to consider anything else. They take the position
that "...every customer who's bought their 'so-and-so-brand-plane' has never
regretted it and has never gone back to a C172. I say: kiss my a**: if I'm
going to effort to run around trying to convince a bank to finance my
purchase @ $200,000 or more (you know what that's like) then I want to know
what in hell I'm buying!! They're sort of saying: marry me and then you'll
find out if you love me.

So far, I haven't had one demo since I started the search in August.
I thought GA was hurting; I guess not.

I train in C172's, and I guess that's what Cirrus, Piper and Tiger want me
to buy because they don't seem interested in my business.





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Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Cessna 172H C-GICE
 




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