Pipistrel Kit Aircraft now FAA 51% Accepted

Juan Jimenez wrote:
ect certification of an individual aircraft.

Ron Wanttaja
C'mon Ron. You make it sound like the FAA guys are an officious bunch of
self righteous bureaucrats!

What else do they call themselves?

The ones I've worked with called themselves things like "Bob",
"Charlie", and "Sue", while they went out of their way to certify my
glider, set up our wave windows, and get me the waiver I requested.

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Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA
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"Transponders in Sailplanes" on the Soaring Safety Foundation website
www.soaringsafety.org/prevention/articles.html

"A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" at www.motorglider.org

"Eric Greenwell" wrote in message
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Juan Jimenez wrote:
ect certification of an individual aircraft.

Ron Wanttaja
C'mon Ron. You make it sound like the FAA guys are an officious bunch of
self righteous bureaucrats!

What else do they call themselves?

The ones I've worked with called themselves things like "Bob", "Charlie",
and "Sue", while they went out of their way to certify my glider, set up
our wave windows, and get me the waiver I requested.

Lucky you, you ran into the minority...



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Juan Jimenez wrote:
"Eric Greenwell" wrote in message
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Juan Jimenez wrote:
ect certification of an individual aircraft.
Ron Wanttaja
C'mon Ron. You make it sound like the FAA guys are an officious bunch of
self righteous bureaucrats!
What else do they call themselves?
The ones I've worked with called themselves things like "Bob", "Charlie",
and "Sue", while they went out of their way to certify my glider, set up
our wave windows, and get me the waiver I requested.

Lucky you, you ran into the minority...

It's not luck when it happens repeatedly over a 30 year period at
multiple FSDOs, towers, and elsewhere. I do know people that always seem
to get the obnoxious ones, and it's not luck then, either.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA
Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly

"Transponders in Sailplanes" on the Soaring Safety Foundation website
www.soaringsafety.org/prevention/articles.html

"A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" at www.motorglider.org

"Eric Greenwell" wrote in message
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Juan Jimenez wrote:
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Juan Jimenez wrote:
ect certification of an individual aircraft.
Ron Wanttaja
C'mon Ron. You make it sound like the FAA guys are an officious bunch
of self righteous bureaucrats!
What else do they call themselves?
The ones I've worked with called themselves things like "Bob",
"Charlie", and "Sue", while they went out of their way to certify my
glider, set up our wave windows, and get me the waiver I requested.

Lucky you, you ran into the minority...

It's not luck when it happens repeatedly over a 30 year period at multiple
FSDOs, towers, and elsewhere. I do know people that always seem to get the
obnoxious ones, and it's not luck then, either.

In my experience, running into "good ones" all the time means that whoever
is doing the running has figured out there are things the FAA doesn't need
to know.



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Juan Jimenez wrote:

In my experience, running into "good ones" all the time means that whoever
is doing the running has figured out there are things the FAA doesn't need
to know.

Juan, any boy with parents learns that by the time he's ten.

Good luck.


Jack

Eric Greenwell wrote:
Juan Jimenez wrote:

"Eric Greenwell" wrote in message
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Juan Jimenez wrote:
ect certification of an individual aircraft.

Ron Wanttaja

C'mon Ron. You make it sound like the FAA guys are an officious
bunch of self righteous bureaucrats!

What else do they call themselves?

The ones I've worked with called themselves things like "Bob",
"Charlie", and "Sue", while they went out of their way to certify my
glider, set up our wave windows, and get me the waiver I requested.


Lucky you, you ran into the minority...


It's not luck when it happens repeatedly over a 30 year period at
multiple FSDOs, towers, and elsewhere. I do know people that always seem
to get the obnoxious ones, and it's not luck then, either.

Touche Eric, I was wondering if there was a good way to say that.

"Jack" wrote in message
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Juan Jimenez wrote:

In my experience, running into "good ones" all the time means that
whoever is doing the running has figured out there are things the FAA
doesn't need to know.

Juan, any boy with parents learns that by the time he's ten.

Good luck.

What can I say, I was taught to do things by the book, correctly, or not do
them at all.



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"Bruce Greef" wrote in message
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Eric Greenwell wrote:
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Juan Jimenez wrote:
ect certification of an individual aircraft.

Ron Wanttaja

C'mon Ron. You make it sound like the FAA guys are an officious bunch
of self righteous bureaucrats!

What else do they call themselves?

The ones I've worked with called themselves things like "Bob",
"Charlie", and "Sue", while they went out of their way to certify my
glider, set up our wave windows, and get me the waiver I requested.


Lucky you, you ran into the minority...


It's not luck when it happens repeatedly over a 30 year period at
multiple FSDOs, towers, and elsewhere. I do know people that always seem
to get the obnoxious ones, and it's not luck then, either.

Touche Eric, I was wondering if there was a good way to say that.

I wouldn't be so much in agreement if I were you.

Ever hear of an outfit the FAA calls the "Charter Quest Team"? It's a little
group the FAA has put together to blast the livelihood from under part 135
operators on the basis of murky interpretations of "operational control".
They don't talk to the FSDO's that have authority over the operators, the
FAA won't tell you who they are or where they work out of, and if you ask
them what rules the team is working under, the request is refused and you
are pointed to FOIA procedures. These are people who have already been at
work destroying companies who have done nothing wrong other than try to live
to up to the spirit of regulations and "do the right thing." You think luck
is involved in any way in this? Even the NTSB has blasted this hit man team
the FAA has put together. You had better hope your luck holds out if you run
into them.



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Interesting. Can you give any cites?
Brad


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"Bruce Greef" wrote in message
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Eric Greenwell wrote:
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Juan Jimenez wrote:
ect certification of an individual aircraft.

Ron Wanttaja

C'mon Ron. You make it sound like the FAA guys are an officious bunch
of self righteous bureaucrats!

What else do they call themselves?

The ones I've worked with called themselves things like "Bob",
"Charlie", and "Sue", while they went out of their way to certify my
glider, set up our wave windows, and get me the waiver I requested.


Lucky you, you ran into the minority...


It's not luck when it happens repeatedly over a 30 year period at
multiple FSDOs, towers, and elsewhere. I do know people that always seem
to get the obnoxious ones, and it's not luck then, either.

Touche Eric, I was wondering if there was a good way to say that.

I wouldn't be so much in agreement if I were you.

Ever hear of an outfit the FAA calls the "Charter Quest Team"? It's a little
group the FAA has put together to blast the livelihood from under part 135
operators on the basis of murky interpretations of "operational control".
They don't talk to the FSDO's that have authority over the operators, the
FAA won't tell you who they are or where they work out of, and if you ask
them what rules the team is working under, the request is refused and you
are pointed to FOIA procedures. These are people who have already been at
work destroying companies who have done nothing wrong other than try to live
to up to the spirit of regulations and "do the right thing." You think luck
is involved in any way in this? Even the NTSB has blasted this hit man team
the FAA has put together. You had better hope your luck holds out if you run
into them.



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Of course. NTSB dockets SE-17831 and SE-17832 from Administrative Law Judge
William R. Mullins. The final decision on appeal should have been issued
already, but the Oral Decision and Order issues October 17, 2006 speaks for
itself.

"A couple other comments on the Charter Quest Team, Mr. Riley talked about
the fact that they have their own rules. They don't have to follow that
handbook on operational control and I certainly believe him but that in and
of itself is kind of a scary approach in my opinion. We have a federal
government agency that's trying to regulate in an area and their regulatory
team doesn't even have rules that are published so that somebody can see
what they are coming out to look at or how they are going to go about it.
And then, Mr. Weitzenhoffer suggested to counsel that if he wanted this
secret document, he could issue FOIA request for it. The concern that I have
is that if a document is only to be obtained by a FOIA request, either by an
airman, a certificate holder, or the National Transportation Safety Board,
then it's not entitled to any deference by the National Transportation
Safety Board."

Pretty strong words from an NTSB judge, if I may say so. I tried to get the
FAA to give me more info on this. They went so far as to acknowledge the
team's existence, and that's it. No names, no location, no rules or
authority except by FOIA request. In the meanwhile, in this example over 100
people had to be laid off, just a couple months before Xmas, and the
consequences are all piling up.

I called AOPA and no one knew about the "team". Neither does NBAA, or anyone
else I talked to. And yet, they have authority to issue emergency orders of
revocations of certificates.

"Brad" wrote in message
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Interesting. Can you give any cites?
Brad


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Juan Jimenez wrote:
ect certification of an individual aircraft.

Ron Wanttaja

C'mon Ron. You make it sound like the FAA guys are an officious
bunch
of self righteous bureaucrats!

What else do they call themselves?

The ones I've worked with called themselves things like "Bob",
"Charlie", and "Sue", while they went out of their way to certify my
glider, set up our wave windows, and get me the waiver I requested.


Lucky you, you ran into the minority...


It's not luck when it happens repeatedly over a 30 year period at
multiple FSDOs, towers, and elsewhere. I do know people that always
seem
to get the obnoxious ones, and it's not luck then, either.

Touche Eric, I was wondering if there was a good way to say that.

I wouldn't be so much in agreement if I were you.

Ever hear of an outfit the FAA calls the "Charter Quest Team"? It's a
little
group the FAA has put together to blast the livelihood from under part
135
operators on the basis of murky interpretations of "operational control".
They don't talk to the FSDO's that have authority over the operators, the
FAA won't tell you who they are or where they work out of, and if you ask
them what rules the team is working under, the request is refused and you
are pointed to FOIA procedures. These are people who have already been at
work destroying companies who have done nothing wrong other than try to
live
to up to the spirit of regulations and "do the right thing." You think
luck
is involved in any way in this? Even the NTSB has blasted this hit man
team
the FAA has put together. You had better hope your luck holds out if you
run
into them.




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